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#4695214 - 03/15/18 12:18 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: RogerBacon]
edyvw Offline


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Originally Posted By: RogerBacon
I think if it was any good, they would publish it like everyone else.

Not necessarily. Oil still meets MB229.51, and that puts it overall into top oils category. There are better oils, but in general scheme of things, if that was only oil available that fits my BMW< I would not sweat.
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#4695383 - 03/15/18 08:16 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: RogerBacon]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: RogerBacon
I think if it was any good, they would publish it like everyone else.

Good? What is "good" ash content anyway? You don't want it too low because that may mean the oil has a very weak add pack. And you don't want it too high to protect DPF. It's a balancing act.
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#4746577 - 05/03/18 10:53 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: Linctex]
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Registered: 12/24/13
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It does matter, and reason why catalytic convertors don't get clogged up in gas cars is bc the phosphorus levels have been reduced substantially, due to it ruining catalytic convertors. same goes for DPF, mid-high saps oil clogs up DPF.

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#4747244 - 05/04/18 02:14 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: RogerBacon]
JFAllen Offline


Registered: 07/31/16
Posts: 166
Loc: Albury, NSW
Originally Posted By: RogerBacon
I asked Shell for the ash content of Pennzoil Platinum Euro. Here is the reply.


Euro L = 0.8%. (Same as SHU ECT C3 5W30.)

0W30 Euro LX (VW-504/507) = 0.6%. (same as SHU ECT C2/C3 0W30)

Use them both in my turbo Saab 9-5 (depending on specials in Australia.) After 180,000kms, still getting factory quoted fuel economy on the highway (7.6L/100kms (30MPG.) Has almost completely de-sludged the engine and wont use anything else. Ws burning 1L every 2500kms when I got the car, now <0.5L every 5,000kms. Now, 30,00kms since I scrubbed the sump clean when I got the car (previous owner wasn't overly kind to this car and it was hard coked nasty in there,) I had the sump off the other day to check and there wasn't a single deposit.

Saab's don't sludge: poor oil choices, poor servicing (not draining the 1L oil cooler) and excessively long OCI's sludge engines.

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#4747255 - 05/04/18 03:41 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: JFAllen]
weasley Offline


Registered: 03/13/13
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Originally Posted By: JFAllen
Originally Posted By: RogerBacon
I asked Shell for the ash content of Pennzoil Platinum Euro. Here is the reply.


0W30 Euro LX (VW-504/507) = 0.6%. (same as SHU ECT C2/C3 0W30)


What makes you say this? ACEA C2 and C3 have a maximum ash limit of 0.8%. VW 504 00/507 00 is constrained by the need to have ACEA C3 (so again, 0.8% max). None of the OEM approvals on the Euro LX/ECT C2/C3 have an ash limit as low as 0.6% so there would be no reason to go down that low.
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#4748609 - 05/05/18 05:03 PM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: RogerBacon]
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Registered: 07/15/09
Posts: 54
Loc: CA
I also had these concerns and made a post on it. MBZ no longer recommends 229.51 for the Sprinter. They now use 229.52. If you want to play it safe then use MBZ Genuine 229.52 oil. After speaking with people that use this oil and have very high miles with no issues and original engines I have decided to go with it and do lab tests on it to see how it does.

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#4754191 - 05/11/18 12:52 PM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: RogerBacon]
little bob Offline


Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 43
Loc: north carolina
I have a 2006 MB E320cdi with 134K and some research showed that either 229.51 or 228.31 oils are MB approved for it. I've been using M1 ESP Formula 5W30 but it's getting hard to find and expensive. There's lots of oils 228.51 and 228.31 approved and I recently bought several gallons of Delo 400 XLE 10W30 (which is 228.51 and 228.31 approved) on closeout. Will this work or should I keep looking for the M1?


Edited by little bob (05/11/18 12:59 PM)

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#4756449 - 05/14/18 01:29 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: RogerBacon]
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I would just pick up this Delo XLE 10W30.

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#4756972 - 05/14/18 01:05 PM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: RogerBacon]
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Registered: 04/04/16
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Loc: Oregon
I put together a C3 / LL-04 / 229.51 comparison table here. It may be of some use to you.



There are very few oils that meet both LL-04/229.51 and 504/507/C30.


Edited by 1JZ_E46 (05/14/18 01:06 PM)
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#4757534 - 05/15/18 04:59 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: 1JZ_E46]
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Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
There are very few oils that meet both LL-04/229.51 and 504/507/C30.


You missed Castrol EDGE 5W-30.
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#4757693 - 05/15/18 09:07 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: weasley]
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Registered: 04/04/16
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Originally Posted By: weasley
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
There are very few oils that meet both LL-04/229.51 and 504/507/C30.


You missed Castrol EDGE 5W-30.


Thatís an out of date formula. Current one only meets 50200/50500/50501 for VW specs.
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#4758228 - 05/15/18 08:36 PM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: 1JZ_E46]
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Yes, the one I've seen on the shelf also has dexos2, as your chart indicates.
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#4758330 - 05/15/18 11:24 PM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: Garak]
1JZ_E46 Online   content


Registered: 04/04/16
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Yes, the one I've seen on the shelf also has dexos2, as your chart indicates.


Castrol is terrible with documentation QC.
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#4758373 - 05/16/18 02:55 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: 1JZ_E46]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
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Not to mention organising the documentation on their server....
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#4758386 - 05/16/18 04:04 AM Re: Low Ash Content [Re: 1JZ_E46]
weasley Offline


Registered: 03/13/13
Posts: 757
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted By: weasley
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
There are very few oils that meet both LL-04/229.51 and 504/507/C30.


You missed Castrol EDGE 5W-30.


Thatís an out of date formula. Current one only meets 50200/50500/50501 for VW specs.


They are two different products. You quoted data for Castrol EDGE 5W-30 C3, I quoted data for Castrol EDGE 5W-30 (period).

From the Castrol USA website:

Quote:
CASTROL EDGE IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOLLOWING GRADES: 0W-20, 0W-30 A3/B4, 0W-40 A3/B4, 5W-20, 5W-30, 5W-30 A3/B4, 5W-30 C3, 5W-30 DIESEL, 5W-40, 5W-40 TURBO DIESEL, 5W-50, 10W-30, 10W-40 AND 10W-60


Edited by weasley (05/16/18 04:06 AM)
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