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Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4684071
03/04/18 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: hatt
What are you trying to accomplish? Chasing magic nuances is a lost cause. All the big name duty handgun ammo performs well. The ammo companies and angencies buying ammo by the pallet did a lot of research and testing. If you want to do something productive buy a lot of practice ammo and shoot it.

hatt, what's your choice in .357 SIG ammo? What kind of firearm do you fire it from? I'm thinking about a M&P .357 FS from SOG. Your opinion?
http://www.southernohiogun.com/handguns/smith-wesson/sandw-military-and-police-pistol-357sig.html

Glock 32 Gen 3 with 54234 Gold Dots for carry. Reloads for shooting.

Here's what I would get over the M&P.
Trade in G31


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Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: hatt] #4684420
03/04/18 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: hatt
What are you trying to accomplish? Chasing magic nuances is a lost cause. All the big name duty handgun ammo performs well. The ammo companies and angencies buying ammo by the pallet did a lot of research and testing. If you want to do something productive buy a lot of practice ammo and shoot it.

hatt, what's your choice in .357 SIG ammo? What kind of firearm do you fire it from? I'm thinking about a M&P .357 FS from SOG. Your opinion?
http://www.southernohiogun.com/handguns/smith-wesson/sandw-military-and-police-pistol-357sig.html

Glock 32 Gen 3 with 54234 Gold Dots for carry. Reloads for shooting.

Here's what I would get over the M&P.
Trade in G31

The link wouldn't download. Isn't the G31 frame the same size as the G22 .40 caliber?
Your .357 SIG re-loads, do you water them down, make them as hot as Underwood, or hotter?
I have been reading about how many people that re-load this ammo say it's VERY expensive. I want to get into re-loading one day when I go back to work. But, I think I will start with the cheaper ammo first, 9mm. I read that it's the most popular, and cheapest.
If I ever get cleared to actually go back to work I have a teaching job (pipe fitting/welding) waiting on me at the local Vo-Tech school over here (6.2 miles from my house). If the paperwork and the EPA "STUFF" ever clears, I can open my own business. I can sit behind a desk at this job. The PF/W job would be actual hands on. Then I can start re-loading ammo, buying more guns, start building engines again, find me a '69 Camaro and make a re-badged COPO, YENKO, or an RS/SS Z/28........

Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4684581
03/04/18 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Isn't the G31 frame the same size as the G22 .40 caliber?
Yes; G17, G22, & G31 are all the same frame size.

Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4687280
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Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4687603
03/07/18 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: hatt
What are you trying to accomplish? Chasing magic nuances is a lost cause. All the big name duty handgun ammo performs well. The ammo companies and angencies buying ammo by the pallet did a lot of research and testing. If you want to do something productive buy a lot of practice ammo and shoot it.

hatt, what's your choice in .357 SIG ammo? What kind of firearm do you fire it from? I'm thinking about a M&P .357 FS from SOG. Your opinion?
http://www.southernohiogun.com/handguns/smith-wesson/sandw-military-and-police-pistol-357sig.html

Glock 32 Gen 3 with 54234 Gold Dots for carry. Reloads for shooting.

Here's what I would get over the M&P.
Trade in G31

The link wouldn't download. Isn't the G31 frame the same size as the G22 .40 caliber?
Your .357 SIG re-loads, do you water them down, make them as hot as Underwood, or hotter?
I have been reading about how many people that re-load this ammo say it's VERY expensive. I want to get into re-loading one day when I go back to work. But, I think I will start with the cheaper ammo first, 9mm. I read that it's the most popular, and cheapest.

I don't load anything hot. If I want more power I step up to something more powerful. .357 Sig ammo isn't expensive if you buy it online. Pretty easy to find it for around $16ish/50 rds. If you're limited to buying at local gun stores stay miles away from the .357. If you're just getting into pistols 9mm is the way.


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Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4687828
03/07/18 05:19 PM
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Okay, back to the subject.
While in WM today, I was checking their ammo supply for .357 SIG ammo. They sell one brand, WWB, FMJ.
I keep checking SGAmmo.com for ammo but they are always out of JHP's. Does anyone know of another big ammo supplier that sells JHP .357 SIG ammo?

Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4688020
03/07/18 07:51 PM
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Blue, I am a fan of SGAmmo too, but when they don't have what I need I go here. They have a bunch of .357 Sig hollow points.

https://www.outdoorlimited.com/357-Sig-HANDGUN-PISTOL-Ammunition-for-Sale-s/1871.htm

The prices are smokin', the service is great too. Shipping is a bit high, but it still comes out as cheap or cheaper than SGAmmo because of the low prices. Just find the sweet spot in shipping.


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Winchester Ranger-T Ammo #4694169
03/14/18 01:04 AM
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I am still looking for Winchester Ranger-T 125 gr. SIG .357 ammo. I have put my e-mail address on several ammo sites that sell them to notify me when they come in. From what I understand, this is the old BLACK TALON rd. just without the black LUBALOX coating. In the pic you can see it's expanded to the diameter of a US dime. This is the ultimate personal defense round. I'm sure a few of you LEO have used the BLACK TALON ammo in the past. I wouldn't mind owning a box of them.

Re: Winchester Ranger-T Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4694172
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HST will do the same. Bad guy isn't gonna notice the difference. wink

Re: Winchester Ranger-T Ammo [Re: ZeeOSix] #4694178
03/14/18 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
HST will do the same. Bad guy isn't gonna notice the difference. wink
+1 - just go with HST.

Re: Winchester Ranger-T Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4694183
03/14/18 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I am still looking for Winchester Ranger-T 125 gr. SIG .357 ammo. I have put my e-mail address on several ammo sites that sell them to notify me when they come in. From what I understand, this is the old BLACK TALON rd. just without the black LUBALOX coating. In the pic you can see it's expanded to the diameter of a US dime. This is the ultimate personal defense round. I'm sure a few of you LEO have used the BLACK TALON ammo in the past. I wouldn't mind owning a box of them.




I'm not really a fan of it in this caliber, and much prefer Gold Dot due to the velocities involved and jacket separation and over-expansion as pictured. T-series has been eclipsed by the HST in other calibers, as well, IMO

You cannot get Black Talon in 357SIG, as 357SIG came about after the BT transferred into the T-series, as you note. I had a few boxes laying around, just never tested out as well as I liked.

Notice how the 9mm actually performs better in the T-series? It's just not constructed for 357SIG velocities. Also, as far as I know, they never went 4th? gen with the 357SIG. 3rd gen is where that loading stopped.
http://winchesterle.com/SiteCollectionDo...otocol_2016.pdf

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Re: Winchester Ranger-T Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4694193
03/14/18 02:37 AM
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I already have some HST. I want some Ranger-T because my son and I are going to do a little bit of ballistic testing on our own.

Re: Winchester Ranger-T Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4694250
03/14/18 05:44 AM
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Isnít the pdx1 the same or very similar?


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Re: Winchester Ranger-T Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4694267
03/14/18 06:17 AM
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I have some of that ammo. I carry Gold Dots. High velocity and super expandy bullets hurt penetration. You're probably better off going with the bullets that fragment and have a quick energy dump and multiple wound tracks. Now if that was all I had I'd happily carry it but it's no ultimate defense round lol.


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Re: Winchester Ranger-T Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4694273
03/14/18 06:22 AM
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My agency I retired from, Dallas Police, used this in 357 sig and 9mm. About a year ago they returned about $300,000 of it due to multiple defects. Lots of the .357 had bullets seated far too low that malfunctioned. We went to Hornaday.. That said, I have multiple boxes in 9mm that I'm not afraid of. I just think you can buy something else just as good.

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