European HDEO users in Gasoline engines?

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So in the US it's quite common for people to use HDEO's in older cars, but that does not seem so common on this side of the pond.
I'm probably going to swith over to Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO ( SL, CI-4 ) for both my Fords ( the Escort already is )
Anybody else using other HDEO's in Petrol engines on the old continent?
 
Well, it's cheap first of all, just 23€ for a 5L Bottle.
Also since they both have traditional flat tappet cams, Rimula R4X contains 1250ppm of Zddp, which is quite good.
On the Capri the oil pressure it has when cold is a little too high with 20W-50, while when hot i believe a 15W-40 HDEO should give similar oil pressure, with the Capri specially now in winter i've done a few cold starts on it at 0C or near, and i have to drive it pretty slowly until it warms up, just because i don't want to strain the oil pump shaft that drives the oil pump in the old Ford V6.
 
Meh.....I will spare Rimula R6M 10w40 for next OCI for Toyota....it is essentially almost a truck (not by Yenkee standards though)
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And will leave SHU 5w40 and Elf nf900 5w40 for my car.....acea A3/B4 is more then stout enough for that job
 
I can tell you that it is fairly common for drivers of older Mercedes gas engine cars here in the USA to use an HDEO 15w-40. By older, I mean ones manufactured in around 1995, or earlier. It is typically either Rotella, Delo or Delvac 15w-40. But some prefer 20w-50 conventional or a 5w-40 or 0w-40 synthetic.
 
I use Delvac 15W40 in a 1 litre Daihatsu.

I'm not European any longer but as far as I can tell that isn't why.
 
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver

Anybody else using other HDEO's in Petrol engines on the old continent?


I run 15W-40 HDEO in almost every engine on my ranch.
 
Well, I used Rimula R6M in my diesel, but gave up for availability reason. Most of HDEO I can find easily now are on the energy conserving side, and that's not really what my cars need!
But if you can find R4X 15W-40 for cheap, it'll be better than other 15W40 like Total Quartz 3000/5000 or equivalent. Maybe not in the 106, because of the cat though ?
 
That's exactly what i was thinking.
Nope not gonna use it in the 106, it's i believe a medium or full SAPS oil with 1250ppm of Zddp and i don't want to clog up the cat on it since it does burn some oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Jett Rink
I can tell you that it is fairly common for drivers of older Mercedes gas engine cars here in the USA to use an HDEO 15w-40. By older, I mean ones manufactured in around 1995, or earlier. It is typically either Rotella, Delo or Delvac 15w-40. But some prefer 20w-50 conventional or a 5w-40 or 0w-40 synthetic.


I use an HDEO in my 2001 ML 320 (what ever is on sale at the time of purchase), my OCI is 6 months or every 5000 miles

its still running........... LOL
 
Not sure what that poster's geographic location has to do with whether or not a 15W-40 HDEO is suitable for an old Euro car.
Many Euro and Brit oldies speced a 20W-50 for warm weather conditions and many drivers of the older machines find a 15W-40 HDEO to be very suitable, particularly since these oils offer well over the 3.5 HTHS required by most more modern manufacturer's certs and they also feature low volatility, much lower than the Grp III 5W-40 HDEOs that some use instead.
I've used Delvac 1300 in my old BMW with good results, for example.
What I have to chuckle about is how you guys get hosed on motor oil.
Over here, Shell Rotella T4 would be the equivalent oil and it can be bought for $12/gal, which translates to around E11.40, or around E2.85/liter.
There are also current MIRs on Rotella, Delvac and Delo HDEOs ATM that make them even cheaper.
In any car that called for a PCMO 20W-50 or an A3/B3 forty grade, a 15W-40 HDEO would make a great deal of sense in terms of both performance and cost.
A straight SAE 30 or 40 might be a good alternative as well for warm weather use, since these grades offer both plenty high HTHS as well as very low volatility, although I don't know how available those grades are in Europe.
You can buy Shell Rotella SAE 30 all day every day at Walmarts here, and you'd also be able to get the MIR.
 
1) since we (over the pond) dont own the middle east
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our oil stash comes a little pricier here...

HDEOs: https://www.mimovrste.com/iskanje?s=Rimula

PCMOs:https://www.mimovrste.com/motorna-olja

2) Yes we know/have monogrades...a.k.a lawnmover oils
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Can be had from 5-8euros/L...but thats not a common practice here to put lawnmover oil into a car engine
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Yeah, the cheapest parts store brand Dino over here in Spain is about 10 USD / 5L, oils are also more expensive here not only fuel.
Say for the average 5L jug of oil you'll be paying between 25-40 USD.
 
I don't make a habit of using HDEO in PCMO applications, mainly for price reasons.
If availability was a problem I'd use E4/E7 in high/low saps applications without any hesitation.
 
Originally Posted By: Kamele0N
1) since we (over the pond) dont own the middle east
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our oil stash comes a little pricier here...

HDEOs: https://www.mimovrste.com/iskanje?s=Rimula

PCMOs:https://www.mimovrste.com/motorna-olja

2) Yes we know/have monogrades...a.k.a lawnmover oils
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Can be had from 5-8euros/L...but thats not a common practice here to put lawnmover oil into a car engine
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1) "Ownership" of the Middle East has little to do with product pricing, since crude is offered on the world market and the price net of transportation costs is the same everywhere in the world. The robust revival of North American oil production over the past five years makes the Middle East less important a supplier anyway and has driven oil prices down for all, even the EU. Anyway, isn't it a European company that gets free natural gas to feed its enormous GTL plant in Qatar?

2) So a monograde is lawnmower oil? This would be news to a number of diesel operators in this country, especially those who run two stroke Detroits. That monograde use in passenger car engines is no longer common on either side of the pond may be as much a result of ignorance as it is any superiority found in multigrade oils. Monogrades do have their advantages while the primary advantage of a multigrade is found in its suitability for colder weather use. In Spain, I'd not hesitate to use a monograde in an older engine for much of each year if I could find one at a decent price. If not, I'd just run a 15W-40 HDEO, since that seems to be the most cost-effective solution.
 
I think what he meant is that the monogrades we have easy access to are either aimed to old engines (ND or mildly detergent) or "garden engines" (poor quality/low price).
In Spain I've seen Repsol Diesel SAE30, wanted to run it in my diesel, but the price wasn't even interesting, so I passed.

Apart from that, my uncle is running Castrol SAE30 in his 1948 Daimler
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Speaking from my small corner of world, most trucks use 10W30 or 5W30 fuel efficiency oils, old trucks are pushed out of the roads by very strict inspections every year or 6 months
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But of course, if I go to my local Shell distributor, he can order monograde or 10/15W40 Rimula for me, but it will take a few weeks, and the price won't be interesting at all. If I really want to, I can buy them, but it makes no sense financially. But I can get Total Rubia Tir 9900FE for cheap, so I got that going for me haha !
 
Yes Repsol's products being a Spanish brand are very available and cheap here.
Indeed i've seen their SAE 30 and SAE 40 Diesel oils, but none of them are API Sx specified.
 
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