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I don't know if this has been shown before.
"nothing gets by us" "nothing gets by you"

I found it sort of funny, given the cut adbv problem and closed louver problem. Among the problems. It is the plastic net they are trying to tear, not the media IMO. There are like three clips.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I73fnbq5arM&index=4&list=PLVX3BHmTxmQEkEYn-8reFdUgJc6IhB_-y
 
Too funny, because with all the people in the whole company striving for new ideas and a focus on quality with all those meetings and comunication they still haven't figured out how to make filters that don't tear media, have closed louvers or cut ADBVs? Wow ...
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Wow, there's a lot of fluff in that video! An American brand since 1923? They haven't been American owned in a while. They need to fix their manufacturing & customer service, just lying about it on a You Tube video isn't going to fix all their manufacturing issues!
 
Bullwinkle - I agree. The true villains were not in the movie. Here are some relatively recent accomplishments:

#4679843 - 02/27/18 05:18 PM MOPAR 04892339AA Factor Installed TORN
Seam was not properly crimped
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4680235/1

#4662507 - 02/11/18 06:27 AM Carquest R84502 TORN! CUT OPEN
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4662990/1

Pennzoil PZ-37 C&P
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4650633/1

#4626006 - 01/06/18 01:41 PM Motorcraft FL-500 C&P...with a tear!
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4626167/1

#4604306 - 12/15/17 09:53 AM Mahle OC705 7800 Miles cut open - TORN!!!
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4607447/1

#4546259 - 10/17/17 01:28 PM FL400S Splitl
Used as inline ATF filter
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4547225/1

11k+ Pennzoil PZ-37 C&P Torn Media
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/Topics/4605843/1

Bosch D3422 cut @ 5,544 Miles, oh my!
Seam split
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4544101/1
 
I thought the 4 videos were mainly funny. Trying to tear the media. Why dwell on tearing? The Boss hasn't shown any tearing. The 625 psi burst strength is very high. Combined with open louvers and the good kind of adbv design, the Boss is OK. Another thing it shows is the people responsible for production don't have German accents. Can't make out what accent that is.
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Gee when I posted a link to a Denso I was chewed out for it, and here we have a whole exhibition of torn Purolators but none are the Boss?
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Yeah, the Boss doesn't tear media, but some models I believe did have shark bite ADBVs. I have a feeling they threw in the clips of those guys trying to tear the Boss media for a reason. They know that lots of people know about "tearing media", and they probably figured their demo will ease some thoughts on tearing media on all Purolators.
 
I guess I missed the post where it showed the detriment for an ADBV with partial cuts?

Manufacturing is a messy process. Even Six Sigma quality control results in 3.4 failures per million opportunities. Why do people always develop amnesia about this fact? Now that I think about it, maybe this is why oil companies came up with 3k OCIs... because minimal additional engine wear is likely to result from a failed filter! If you’re changing filters every oil change, you’re extremely unlikely to get two bad filters in a row?

It’s all statistics. Part of statistics is knowing what is relevant and what isn’t. Especially when there is a dearth of dammning evidence but plenty of fanfare.

Oh and I haven’t bought or used a Purolator for around 5 years. Not because of posts here, but mainly due to cost.
 
Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
... Even Six Sigma quality control results in 3.4 failures per million opportunities. ... maybe this is why oil companies came up with 3k OCIs... because minimal additional engine wear is likely to result from a failed filter! If you’re changing filters every oil change, you’re extremely unlikely to get two bad filters in a row? ...
Not a net advantage (vs. changing filters less often), because by sampling more filters, you're more more likely to get a defective one or ones.
 
CR, that would only be true if you had bought a large amount from the same lot and were only pulling from that sample set. Since millions upon millions of filters have been made in the time it took for your OCI, it could be assumed your chance for a bad filter is nearly always identical.
 
Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Manufacturing is a messy process. Even Six Sigma quality control results in 3.4 failures per million opportunities. Why do people always develop amnesia about this fact?


I'd say Purolator isn't even close to 6 sigma. If they were, or even 3 sigma, it would mean most of those rare bad filters somehow magically fall into the hand of BITOG members. As often as it's been reported here per total filters used by the members, it would be interesting to know what the actual failure rate is of all filters produced.
 
That video makes want to go out and buy a Purolator filter 1st thing in the morning. I will then pull off my WIX and put on the Purolator. Well, I will have my son do it Sunday morning.
Flame suit is now on!
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
That video makes want to go out and buy a Purolator filter 1st thing in the morning. I will then pull off my WIX and put on the Purolator. Well, I will have my son do it Sunday morning.
Flame suit is now on!

Might as well since the Boss isn't any more efficient than that XP
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Yeah, the Boss doesn't tear media, but some models I believe did have shark bite ADBVs. I have a feeling they threw in the clips of those guys trying to tear the Boss media for a reason. They know that lots of people know about "tearing media", and they probably figured their demo will ease some thoughts on tearing media on all Purolators.


That's what I figured too. Two guys had to try it and they just can't tear it. Well, lots of good medias that don't tear in an oil filter can be torn by hand.

Cut adbv's and closed louvers are very common, not a couple per million. On some models I think almost all the adbv are cut. As far as tearing media they aren't seeing any of that in the factory, but making the pleat too wide seems to be the problem. Sigma failures have nothing to do with it. I or many here could go in and fix the machines in short order or show them they have to move the holes out or chamfer the hole edges. Make the louvers open wide. Make the pleats even, no excuses. It's like very basic errors they are letting by.

On the other hand, the factory floor people can only do so much if the supervisors behind the glass windows are yelling we need more at lower cost to come out of the line.
 
Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
... Since millions upon millions of filters have been made in the time it took for your OCI, it could be assumed your chance for a bad filter is nearly always identical.
Yeah, of course your chance of getting a bad one out of those millions is the same each time you pick one (assuming the defects are randomly distributed with constant probability). But, if you buy 3n filters, you're more likely to get a defective one (or more) than if you buy only n of them.

Looking at it differently, whether you install n or 3n filters during the life of a vehicle, the probability of a defective one being on the car at any one moment is the same. However, the probability of a defective one being on the vehicle at least one time is greater with 3n.
 
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