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#4689607 - 03/09/18 01:03 PM European HDEO users in Gasoline engines?
FordCapriDriver Offline


Registered: 10/22/15
Posts: 2379
Loc: Balearic Islands , Spain
So in the US it's quite common for people to use HDEO's in older cars, but that does not seem so common on this side of the pond.
I'm probably going to swith over to Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO ( SL, CI-4 ) for both my Fords ( the Escort already is )
Anybody else using other HDEO's in Petrol engines on the old continent?
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1988 Ford Escort MkIV 1.6 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

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#4689628 - 03/09/18 01:37 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Panos Offline


Registered: 12/08/16
Posts: 63
Loc: Greece
What is that you hope gaining with the switch?
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#4689712 - 03/09/18 03:16 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
FordCapriDriver Offline


Registered: 10/22/15
Posts: 2379
Loc: Balearic Islands , Spain
Well, it's cheap first of all, just 23€ for a 5L Bottle.
Also since they both have traditional flat tappet cams, Rimula R4X contains 1250ppm of Zddp, which is quite good.
On the Capri the oil pressure it has when cold is a little too high with 20W-50, while when hot i believe a 15W-40 HDEO should give similar oil pressure, with the Capri specially now in winter i've done a few cold starts on it at 0C or near, and i have to drive it pretty slowly until it warms up, just because i don't want to strain the oil pump shaft that drives the oil pump in the old Ford V6.
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1975 Ford Capri II Ghia 3000 V6, - Valvoline VR1 20W-50
1988 Ford Escort MkIV 1.6 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

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#4689760 - 03/09/18 04:21 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Kamele0N Offline


Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 2038
Loc: Slovenia
Meh.....I will spare Rimula R6M 10w40 for next OCI for Toyota....it is essentially almost a truck (not by Yenkee standards though) smile

And will leave SHU 5w40 and Elf nf900 5w40 for my car.....acea A3/B4 is more then stout enough for that job
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#4689846 - 03/09/18 05:49 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Jett Rink Offline


Registered: 11/01/05
Posts: 369
Loc: Bristol, Tennessee
I can tell you that it is fairly common for drivers of older Mercedes gas engine cars here in the USA to use an HDEO 15w-40. By older, I mean ones manufactured in around 1995, or earlier. It is typically either Rotella, Delo or Delvac 15w-40. But some prefer 20w-50 conventional or a 5w-40 or 0w-40 synthetic.
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#4689856 - 03/09/18 05:59 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 4339
Loc: Taiwan
I use Delvac 15W40 in a 1 litre Daihatsu.

I'm not European any longer but as far as I can tell that isn't why.

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#4689998 - 03/09/18 08:32 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Linctex Offline


Registered: 12/31/16
Posts: 6148
Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver

Anybody else using other HDEO's in Petrol engines on the old continent?


I run 15W-40 HDEO in almost every engine on my ranch.
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#4690170 - 03/10/18 03:54 AM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: Linctex]
FordCapriDriver Offline


Registered: 10/22/15
Posts: 2379
Loc: Balearic Islands , Spain
Hmm, the last time i checked a map Waco, Texas was not in Europe lol
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1988 Ford Escort MkIV 1.6 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

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#4690195 - 03/10/18 05:37 AM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Popsy Offline


Registered: 05/10/15
Posts: 893
Loc: Frogland / Brittany
Well, I used Rimula R6M in my diesel, but gave up for availability reason. Most of HDEO I can find easily now are on the energy conserving side, and that's not really what my cars need!
But if you can find R4X 15W-40 for cheap, it'll be better than other 15W40 like Total Quartz 3000/5000 or equivalent. Maybe not in the 106, because of the cat though ?
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#4690242 - 03/10/18 07:00 AM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
FordCapriDriver Offline


Registered: 10/22/15
Posts: 2379
Loc: Balearic Islands , Spain
That's exactly what i was thinking.
Nope not gonna use it in the 106, it's i believe a medium or full SAPS oil with 1250ppm of Zddp and i don't want to clog up the cat on it since it does burn some oil.
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1988 Ford Escort MkIV 1.6 Xr3i Cabrio, - Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 HDEO.

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#4690323 - 03/10/18 08:57 AM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: Jett Rink]
2004tdigls Offline


Registered: 10/31/11
Posts: 484
Loc: maple ridge, bc
Originally Posted By: Jett Rink
I can tell you that it is fairly common for drivers of older Mercedes gas engine cars here in the USA to use an HDEO 15w-40. By older, I mean ones manufactured in around 1995, or earlier. It is typically either Rotella, Delo or Delvac 15w-40. But some prefer 20w-50 conventional or a 5w-40 or 0w-40 synthetic.


I use an HDEO in my 2001 ML 320 (what ever is on sale at the time of purchase), my OCI is 6 months or every 5000 miles

its still running........... LOL

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#4690567 - 03/10/18 01:50 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: Popsy]
Kamele0N Offline


Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 2038
Loc: Slovenia
Originally Posted By: Popsy
Well, I used Rimula R6M in my diesel, but gave up for availability reason.


https://m.autodoc.co.uk/shell/12754630

banana
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#4690679 - 03/10/18 04:19 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Popsy Offline


Registered: 05/10/15
Posts: 893
Loc: Frogland / Brittany
Thanks! But the price...for the price of the 5L jug I have almost 4L of 300V^^
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#4690866 - 03/10/18 08:10 PM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
fdcg27 Offline


Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 15693
Loc: OH
Not sure what that poster's geographic location has to do with whether or not a 15W-40 HDEO is suitable for an old Euro car.
Many Euro and Brit oldies speced a 20W-50 for warm weather conditions and many drivers of the older machines find a 15W-40 HDEO to be very suitable, particularly since these oils offer well over the 3.5 HTHS required by most more modern manufacturer's certs and they also feature low volatility, much lower than the Grp III 5W-40 HDEOs that some use instead.
I've used Delvac 1300 in my old BMW with good results, for example.
What I have to chuckle about is how you guys get hosed on motor oil.
Over here, Shell Rotella T4 would be the equivalent oil and it can be bought for $12/gal, which translates to around E11.40, or around E2.85/liter.
There are also current MIRs on Rotella, Delvac and Delo HDEOs ATM that make them even cheaper.
In any car that called for a PCMO 20W-50 or an A3/B3 forty grade, a 15W-40 HDEO would make a great deal of sense in terms of both performance and cost.
A straight SAE 30 or 40 might be a good alternative as well for warm weather use, since these grades offer both plenty high HTHS as well as very low volatility, although I don't know how available those grades are in Europe.
You can buy Shell Rotella SAE 30 all day every day at Walmarts here, and you'd also be able to get the MIR.
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#4691052 - 03/11/18 01:15 AM Re: European HDEO users in Gasoline engines? [Re: FordCapriDriver]
Kamele0N Offline


Registered: 02/09/15
Posts: 2038
Loc: Slovenia
1) since we (over the pond) dont own the middle east smile our oil stash comes a little pricier here...

HDEOs: https://www.mimovrste.com/iskanje?s=Rimula

PCMOs:https://www.mimovrste.com/motorna-olja

2) Yes we know/have monogrades...a.k.a lawnmover oils smile Can be had from 5-8euros/L...but thats not a common practice here to put lawnmover oil into a car engine smile
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