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New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available #4689331
03/09/18 07:14 AM
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This is available now, from one internet distributor.

Expensive, at about $8 more per gallon compared to the 5w40 flavor. Current rebates should apply. You can be the first on BITOG to try it out!

https://www.thelubricantstore.com/mobil-delvac-1-esp-5w30-case-of-4-1-gal-containers

Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: CleverUserName] #4696301
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I'm trying to find the difference between this and Delvac 1 LE 5w-30, and I'm not finding much, aside from the CK-4/SN versus CJ-4/SN (which was the LE). All this lube will do is serve to panic Ford. wink


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: Garak] #4696354
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Originally Posted By: Garak
I'm trying to find the difference between this and Delvac 1 LE 5w-30, and I'm not finding much, aside from the CK-4/SN versus CJ-4/SN (which was the LE). All this lube will do is serve to panic Ford. wink


The Delvac LE has better properties and a higher VI. It also has many more builder approvals.

The ESP 5w30 has a higher TBN and operational viscosity. That's about it.

I have a friend who works for a local Mobil distributor. I'm going to see if he can get any of the ESP 5w30. If it's in their warehouse, I will donate one of my $9.46 WIX Oil Analysis kits to have a sample tested so we can see what's in it.

Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: CleverUserName] #4696989
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Yes, I'd gather there would be a few different properties, but from a specification standpoint, this isn't offering much over LE, having fewer builder approvals, as you point out, while having CK-4. I'd certainly have no concern using the product, of course, but I wonder about redundancy, especially since Delvac 1 LE 5w-30 wasn't a problem that needed to be solved. wink


Plain, simple Garak.

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1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: Garak] #4697053
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Yes, I'd gather there would be a few different properties, but from a specification standpoint, this isn't offering much over LE, having fewer builder approvals, as you point out, while having CK-4. I'd certainly have no concern using the product, of course, but I wonder about redundancy, especially since Delvac 1 LE 5w-30 wasn't a problem that needed to be solved. wink


Yeah but I think LE only has about 800 ppm of P so perhaps the ESP is higher in that regard. Maybe Mobil is planning on discontinuing LE in the near future...

My friend sent me an email that they have D1 ESP 5w30 in the warehouse. Iíll buy a couple gallons and do a VOA on it. Stay tuned!

Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: CleverUserName] #4697231
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According to the link, the ESP will have similar phosphorus, given it's also an E6 lube, with the same 800 ppm limit. Shell ROTELLA Multi-Vehicle 5w-30 is the same. Chevron has such a product, as does Castrol, at least in Canada and Europe.


Plain, simple Garak.

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1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: Garak] #4699500
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Originally Posted By: Garak
According to the link, the ESP will have similar phosphorus, given it's also an E6 lube, with the same 800 ppm limit. Shell ROTELLA Multi-Vehicle 5w-30 is the same. Chevron has such a product, as does Castrol, at least in Canada and Europe.


Well thatís disappointing. Kinda makes me think LE will be discontinued since they are so similar. Iím still waiting on price information. As long as the cost is reasonable Iíll get some and run a VOA so we can see whatís inside.

Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: CleverUserName] #4701359
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Yes, it's very hard to say. Maybe the builder approvals will mount up, or they'll keep both products. Your guess is as good as mine. I don't doubt that the new ESP 5w-30 is quite capable. I wouldn't have an issue running it. That price is a little high, but I could probably beat that at a distributor here.


Plain, simple Garak.

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1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: CleverUserName] #4703733
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But why is it $45/gallon retail? What makes it better than say a Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5w-40 or a Rotella T6?

Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: LeeinDallas] #4703742
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Originally Posted By: LeeinDallas
But why is it $45/gallon retail? What makes it better than say a Valvoline Premium Blue Extreme 5w-40 or a Rotella T6?


Because it's 5w30, DUH! shocked2

All kidding aside, I have no idea why Mobil has priced it so high. The other 5w30, Delvac LE is also expensive here in America. https://www.thelubricantstore.com/mobil-delvac-1-le-5w30-4x1gal

Maybe they see a shortage of available HDEOs in 5w30 so their marketing dept. thinks people will pay a premium for it? No way I think it or the LE is worth more than $30 a gallon.

Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: CleverUserName] #4703777
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I don't see it making much headway in a crowded premium HDEO category at that those price points whether its a 5w-30, 5w-40, 15w-50 etc...Many truckers these days don't care if its Crisco in the can, if it's $5 gallon its what they use. In the interest of fair disclosure I work for Valvoline's HD team.

Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: CleverUserName] #4707511
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Delvac 1 LE 5W-30 is in another category, it carries CJ4/CK4 but also ACEA E6 for many european trucks. Those low dollar 15W-40 won't be E6. Thats why phosphorous is capped at 800ppm, i'd suspect this oil uses a higher quantity of PAO in its base, why it costs $45 a gallon.

This oil bridges the gap between CJ4/CK4 and ACEA C3.

https://www.lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-Fuel-Additives/Engine-Oil-Additives/ACEA/Sequences/ACEA-E6-16

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Re: New Delvac ESP 5w30 now available [Re: Fraser434] #4708150
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Originally Posted By: Fraser434
Delvac 1 LE 5W-30 is in another category, it carries CJ4/CK4 but also ACEA E6 for many european trucks. Those low dollar 15W-40 won't be E6. Thats why phosphorous is capped at 800ppm, i'd suspect this oil uses a higher quantity of PAO in its base, why it costs $45 a gallon.

This oil bridges the gap between CJ4/CK4 and ACEA C3.

https://www.lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-Fuel-Additives/Engine-Oil-Additives/ACEA/Sequences/ACEA-E6-16


Not sure what you're trying to say here.

Both LE and ESP 5w30 are rated E6. We already covered that.

LE is not $45 a gallon. It's around $34 a gallon delivered from summit.

It's the Delvac ESP 5w30 that is $47 a gallon plus shipping.

I also suspect LE has higher quality base oils as the VI is about 12% higher than ESP. LE also contains moly and boron which are also desirable in a HDEO.


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