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fram filters #4687935
03/07/18 06:42 PM
03/07/18 06:42 PM
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Golden Meadow, LA
mobilaltima Offline OP
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Now that Fram has started making the extra guard line with a silicone ADBV,it got me thinking, is it really necessary to use a different filter for an oil change of 5-6000 miles or less? Most vehicles I service, I change the oil around 5-6000 miles with either a Fram Ultra or ToughGuard. My buddies 2011 4.8 Chevy I always change it every 5k with either Supertech Dexos 5W30 or Castrol Magnatec 5W30 with a Fram Ultra, he has a 1 mile drive to work and 1 mile back, with a long trip in between every week. I'm wondering if it would be ok to step to up to Castrol 0W40 with either an extraguard or a toughguard, or to stick with the Fram Ultra. The ultimate question is, for these 5-6k oil changes I do on multiple vehicles, will the EG or TG filter suffice?

Also, are the EG and TG filters still rated for 5k and 10k miles, respectively? What is the main difference between the two, the filter media?

Another odd thing is my buddies Impala specs a Fram 10575 oil filter, the Ultra is $9.63 at Wal Mart While the Toughguard is $9.82

Last edited by mobilaltima; 03/07/18 06:47 PM.

2006 2500 Dodge 5.9 Cummins Mobil Delvac 15W40, Fleetguard Stratapore 90k miles
Early '99 F250 ECLB 7.3 Stroker, 223k miles
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4687937
03/07/18 06:46 PM
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mobilaltima Offline OP
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I meant to post this in the engine oil filter section, can someone please move it?


2006 2500 Dodge 5.9 Cummins Mobil Delvac 15W40, Fleetguard Stratapore 90k miles
Early '99 F250 ECLB 7.3 Stroker, 223k miles
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4687958
03/07/18 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: mobilaltima
Another odd thing is my buddies Impala specs a Fram 10575 oil filter, the Ultra is $9.63 at Wal Mart While the Toughguard is $9.82


There's NO GOOD REASON for those to cost that much....

There is a new super tech ST10575 for $2.84 now......


"The evidence demands a verdict".
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Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4687971
03/07/18 07:15 PM
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They are certainly priced backwards. The Ultra is thee expensive one.


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4688015
03/07/18 07:46 PM
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Several months ago, I bought six Fram Ultra oil filters on flebay for $4.50 each with free shipping. They were in perfect condition. Have no idea how they can sell them that cheap. Unless?




Respectfully,

Pajero!


Always remember "Planned obsolescence."

1994 Montero SR 3.5 DOHC, 133,xxx
Fram Ultra/ Snorkel with Pre-filter
K-9-Co-pilot
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4688065
03/07/18 08:32 PM
03/07/18 08:32 PM
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My analysis on a short OCI with a 3$ Napa Proselect filter was excellent so I'm sticking with that! No need to spend so much unless running multiple changes on that Fram filter. Napa proselects for short intervals and Napa Golds if I run longer but Im in the camp of not using a filter twice.. Oil out, filter out. I rather buy cheap but well constructed filters and change them out on every oil change. You can use a Proselect or Silver for very cheap. You might even check with the dealers on getting OEM filters.. My local dealer sells filters for about 7-8$ up here in Canada.. cheaper or equal in price to an OCOD filter at the store..


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: fram filters [Re: Linctex] #4688073
03/07/18 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: mobilaltima
Another odd thing is my buddies Impala specs a Fram 10575 oil filter, the Ultra is $9.63 at Wal Mart While the Toughguard is $9.82


There's NO GOOD REASON for those to cost that much....



Totally agree the TG at my Walmart is 6.64 everyday price and the Ultra is 8.97 everyday.


2004 Corolla 126649
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74478
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73705 4-22-18
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4688152
03/07/18 10:11 PM
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I am wondering the same thing. The TG has a little better filtration (99%) than the Extraguard (95%), but now that all Frams come with a silicone ADV, I don't see that extra 4% filtration costing twice the price.

And as noted, some filters have crazy pricing. @ Walmart, the PH9688 is $3.77, TG9688 is $8.97, XG9688 is $9.57.
The PH2 is also $3.77, but the TG2 and XG2 are more reasonable @ $6.64 and $8.97.


2012 xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k
2010 Santa Fe: PP 0w-20/P1/8k
2007 Vue: VSP 5w-30/EcoGard/OLM
2004 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/TG2/4k
2002 F150: GTX HM 5w-20/EcoGard/1yr
1994 VT1100c: Peak 15w-40/PSL/5k



Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4688607
03/08/18 11:02 AM
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In my both my Walmart and Canadian Tire the pricing is identical across the product line for each of the Extra Guard, Tough Guard and Ultra.


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4689266
03/08/18 11:46 PM
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TG is more than adequate. I'm sure the EG is also, but FRAM won't tell us what it's rated for yet. TG is still rated for 10k intervals and I'd use it for your specified needs without worry.
As of now, I think the only change to the EG is a silicon ADBV. It's a fine filter for standard OEM change intervals, but I personally wouldn't push it beyond what the manual says to drive the car for an interval until we get more information on it.


2004 Toyota Tacoma 3.4 V6: Mobil 1 AFE 0W-30, FRAM TG-3600 filter
1969 Mustang Mach 1 5.8 V8: PYB 10W-30 Napa Gold 1515 filter
1997 Ford F-250 HD 7.3 Powerstroke V8: T6 5W-40 FRAM PH-3786 filter
Re: fram filters [Re: jongies3] #4689274
03/09/18 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted By: jongies3
As of now, I think the only change to the EG is a silicon ADBV. It's a fine filter for standard OEM change intervals, but I personally wouldn't push it beyond what the manual says to drive the car for an interval until we get more information on it.


Fram's website says: "Extra Guard meets all manufacturer’s recommended change intervals."

So probably not recommended for use beyond what the vehicle manufacturer's service manual says. Seems they got rid of the "up to 5,000 mile statement", which was probably due to the old ones having a nitrile ADBV, and replaced it with the current use statement now that it has a silicone ADBV.

Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4689455
03/09/18 09:43 AM
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Rural King has ultra filters for $7.99.

Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4689491
03/09/18 10:27 AM
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Quote:
Seems they got rid of the "up to 5,000 mile statement"

I'm sure they thought that that statement would keep some
fro using the OCOD filter since most MFGs now spec 7500 mile oil
changes.
Marketing considerations. May also be the reason behind the switch to
silicone ADBV.

My 2˘


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Too big of a battery,
Too large of a gas tank,
or too loud of a horn,
or too bright headlights.
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4689602
03/09/18 12:54 PM
03/09/18 12:54 PM
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Houston, Texas
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Captured from Fram’s website.

Extra Guard® is the perfect filter for everyday drivers who perform oil changes at OE recommended intervals. Extra Guard® has cellulose and glass blended media that provides advanced engine protection for your vehicle. Engineered with a silicone anti-drain back valve, Extra Guard® meets all manufacturer’s recommended change intervals.

Tough Guard is the ideal filter for drivers who have high mileage vehicles or push their vehicles in stop-and-go traffic, towing and extreme weather conditions. Our re-engineered Synthetic-Blend filter media that provides premium engine protection for your vehicle.

Have a new engine or trying to provide maximum protection for an older one? Ultra Synthetic provides top performance. Engineered to be paired with synthetic oil, it offers protection up to 20,000 and 99%+ filtration efficiency.†

Fram says OEM recommendations for the Extra Guard.

Interesting market speak for Tough Guard.

20,000 miles for the Ultra.


2004 Ford Ranger 4.0L V6
Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: fram filters [Re: mobilaltima] #4689704
03/09/18 03:03 PM
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Tennessee
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The Ultra has much better sealing on the end caps than TG or EG. That is the only Fram I would use. Except their racing filters, might want to look if they have one. The Ultra is actually a better value from what I have seen opening them myself.

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