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#4684350 - 03/04/18 05:39 PM FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE
car51 Offline


Registered: 03/12/15
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Loc: Southwest PA
This filter and i assume QSGB oil was off friends 2011 Hyundai Sonata 2.4 engine vehicle. Put a tg 3593A and last of my QSUD 10w30 from my stash in vehicle. 75,565 miles on car.






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#4684358 - 03/04/18 05:42 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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Not pretty-any tears anywhere? I have a feeling the new ST filters are going to be these, not good enough for 10K (IMHO)!
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#4684387 - 03/04/18 05:57 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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Bullwinkle: no tears just dam fugly is all frown
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#4684439 - 03/04/18 06:32 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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Uh oh... I have a feeling the Tearolator cheerleaders won't be all over this C&P. To me this is the perfect reason to avoid filters with cardboard end caps.

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#4684472 - 03/04/18 06:59 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
car51 Offline


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Yeah, it's not pretty
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#4684474 - 03/04/18 07:00 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: SubieRubyRoo]
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Uh oh... I have a feeling the Tearolator cheerleaders won't be all over this C&P. To me this is the perfect reason to avoid filters with cardboard end caps.

Why avoid them, did it separate from the media somehow? To me the fact that they are flexible is a good thing, not a bad one.

And before you accuse me of being a cheerleader, I don't use any filters that have end caps as far as I know.
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#4684497 - 03/04/18 07:27 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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Loc: Spring,Texas
Looks like the TG I took off my Accord this past oil change.
Ugly and wavy, but it didn't rip/tear or have holes.
Ran it 6400 miles.
I'm pretty sure the cold weather has a lot to do with it.
I'm less than 2 miles from the freeway, no real time for gradual warm up before having to get to freeway speeds.
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#4684498 - 03/04/18 07:27 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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Edited by Bud_One (03/04/18 07:29 PM)
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#4684505 - 03/04/18 07:32 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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If the guts of the filter are clamped good and tight together, the outside edges of the end caps can deform/warp and still seal around the center tube. Rather have warped end caps vs torn media.

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#4684507 - 03/04/18 07:33 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: kschachn]
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Loc: Katy, Republic of Texas
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Uh oh... I have a feeling the Tearolator cheerleaders won't be all over this C&P. To me this is the perfect reason to avoid filters with cardboard end caps.

Why avoid them, did it separate from the media somehow? To me the fact that they are flexible is a good thing, not a bad one.

And before you accuse me of being a cheerleader, I don't use any filters that have end caps as far as I know.

I agree kschachn, the media was intact, end caps intact, but both are deformed. Not ideal, but filter kept filtering, like a filter is supposed to.

Call me a "cheerleader" if you want, but I will take an ugly but intact Fram with fiber end caps over a Purolator with metal end caps and torn media.
But then again, I also use cheap made in China filters, Frams with fiber end caps, and whatever else is on sale/clearance/discount at the time (including some Purolator made Bosch Distance Plus filters).
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#4684510 - 03/04/18 07:35 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: blupupher]
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
Call me a "cheerleader" if you want, but I will take an ugly but intact Fram with fiber end caps over a Purolator with metal end caps and torn media.


I'd call you a realist with some engineering logic.

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#4684515 - 03/04/18 07:42 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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Car51 - this element is clearly of Fram descent. While the filter is scary with collapsing pleats, it completed itís mission without tearing. I think winter and operating conditions took itís toll. Thanks for the informative C&P.
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#4684518 - 03/04/18 07:43 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: ZeeOSix]
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Loc: Houston, Texas
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: blupupher
Call me a "cheerleader" if you want, but I will take an ugly but intact Fram with fiber end caps over a Purolator with metal end caps and torn media.


I'd call you a realist with some engineering logic.

Ditto here.
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#4684523 - 03/04/18 07:50 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: car51]
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Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 366
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: car51
Bullwinkle: no tears just dam fugly is all frown


Why you using the TG 3593A? Any problems or leaks using the TG 3593A?

According to the filter specs it should work. Relieve pressure is a bit higher....
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#4684526 - 03/04/18 07:54 PM Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: MobilinHyundia]
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Originally Posted By: MobilinHyundia
Originally Posted By: car51
Bullwinkle: no tears just dam fugly is all frown


Why you using the TG 3593A? Any problems or leaks using the TG 3593A?

According to the filter specs it should work. Relieve pressure is a bit higher....
Actually (if you mean me) I have used both the TG3593A and PH3593A, they both did OK, but distorted the endcaps somewhat (but not to the degree this one did).
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