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FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE #4684350
03/04/18 06:39 PM
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53' Stude Offline OP
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This filter and i assume QSGB oil was off friends 2011 Hyundai Sonata 2.4 engine vehicle. Put a tg 3593A and last of my QSUD 10w30 from my stash in vehicle. 75,565 miles on car.








09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684358
03/04/18 06:42 PM
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Not pretty-any tears anywhere? I have a feeling the new ST filters are going to be these, not good enough for 10K (IMHO)!


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Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684387
03/04/18 06:57 PM
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Bullwinkle: no tears just dam fugly is all frown


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684439
03/04/18 07:32 PM
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Winchester, Indiana
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Uh oh... I have a feeling the Tearolator cheerleaders won't be all over this C&P. To me this is the perfect reason to avoid filters with cardboard end caps.

Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684472
03/04/18 07:59 PM
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Yeah, it's not pretty


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4684474
03/04/18 08:00 PM
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Upper Midwest
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Uh oh... I have a feeling the Tearolator cheerleaders won't be all over this C&P. To me this is the perfect reason to avoid filters with cardboard end caps.

Why avoid them, did it separate from the media somehow? To me the fact that they are flexible is a good thing, not a bad one.

And before you accuse me of being a cheerleader, I don't use any filters that have end caps as far as I know.


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1996 Honda Accord, 263K
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Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684497
03/04/18 08:27 PM
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Looks like the TG I took off my Accord this past oil change.
Ugly and wavy, but it didn't rip/tear or have holes.
Ran it 6400 miles.
I'm pretty sure the cold weather has a lot to do with it.
I'm less than 2 miles from the freeway, no real time for gradual warm up before having to get to freeway speeds.


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Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684498
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Duplicate

Last edited by Bud_One; 03/04/18 08:29 PM.

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05 Chevy 2500HD-QSUD 10W-30, XG3675
97 Accord Wagon-Havoline HM 10W-30, PH3593A
Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684505
03/04/18 08:32 PM
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If the guts of the filter are clamped good and tight together, the outside edges of the end caps can deform/warp and still seal around the center tube. Rather have warped end caps vs torn media.

Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: kschachn] #4684507
03/04/18 08:33 PM
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Katy, Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
Uh oh... I have a feeling the Tearolator cheerleaders won't be all over this C&P. To me this is the perfect reason to avoid filters with cardboard end caps.

Why avoid them, did it separate from the media somehow? To me the fact that they are flexible is a good thing, not a bad one.

And before you accuse me of being a cheerleader, I don't use any filters that have end caps as far as I know.

I agree kschachn, the media was intact, end caps intact, but both are deformed. Not ideal, but filter kept filtering, like a filter is supposed to.

Call me a "cheerleader" if you want, but I will take an ugly but intact Fram with fiber end caps over a Purolator with metal end caps and torn media.
But then again, I also use cheap made in China filters, Frams with fiber end caps, and whatever else is on sale/clearance/discount at the time (including some Purolator made Bosch Distance Plus filters).


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2012 Scion xB: QSUD 0w-20/CQ Blue/5k OCI

Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: blupupher] #4684510
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Originally Posted By: blupupher
Call me a "cheerleader" if you want, but I will take an ugly but intact Fram with fiber end caps over a Purolator with metal end caps and torn media.


I'd call you a realist with some engineering logic.

Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684515
03/04/18 08:42 PM
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Car51 - this element is clearly of Fram descent. While the filter is scary with collapsing pleats, it completed itís mission without tearing. I think winter and operating conditions took itís toll. Thanks for the informative C&P.


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Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: ZeeOSix] #4684518
03/04/18 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: blupupher
Call me a "cheerleader" if you want, but I will take an ugly but intact Fram with fiber end caps over a Purolator with metal end caps and torn media.


I'd call you a realist with some engineering logic.

Ditto here.


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Valvoline Advanced Full Synthetic 5W30 + Fram Tough Guard
Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: 53' Stude] #4684523
03/04/18 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: car51
Bullwinkle: no tears just dam fugly is all frown


Why you using the TG 3593A? Any problems or leaks using the TG 3593A?

According to the filter specs it should work. Relieve pressure is a bit higher....


2009 Sonata GL 2.4L (226000km)-QS FS 5W20 ,OEM oil filter
2009 Sonata LTD 2.4L (170000km)Castrol Egde 5W20, RP filter

24000km/15000 mile oci so far
Re: FRAM CORE 9688, 5,000 Miles CUT OPE [Re: MobilinHyundia] #4684526
03/04/18 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: MobilinHyundia
Originally Posted By: car51
Bullwinkle: no tears just dam fugly is all frown


Why you using the TG 3593A? Any problems or leaks using the TG 3593A?

According to the filter specs it should work. Relieve pressure is a bit higher....
Actually (if you mean me) I have used both the TG3593A and PH3593A, they both did OK, but distorted the endcaps somewhat (but not to the degree this one did).


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