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Valvoline oils ditching sodium? #4684310
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Since we saw a voa of VALVOLINE syn here that had zero or 0 sodium; is it safe to assume VALVOLINE is done using sodium?


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Re: Valvoline oils ditching sodium? [Re: 53' Stude] #4684316
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Yup. Sodium seems to have been a casualty of meeting dexos1Gen2 and SN Plus, presumably because it can provoke LSPI.

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Originally Posted By: Danh
Yup. Sodium seems to have been a casualty of meeting dexos1Gen2 and SN Plus, presumably because it can provoke LSPI.
Agree and if memory serves calcium will also be reduced or replaced in those oils seeking to meet D1G2/SN+

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I couldn't locate this VOA, could you please direct me to it. I would love to check out their new numbers

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Re: Valvoline oils ditching sodium? [Re: 53' Stude] #4684725
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Looks like Valvoline put moly back in their oils? Is this their newest vanilla "Synpower" (and not Maxlife)?


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Re: Valvoline oils ditching sodium? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4685097
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Looks like Valvoline put moly back in their oils? Is this their newest vanilla "Synpower" (and not Maxlife)?


I believe so


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Thanks! I'm pretty surprised Valvoline dropped sodium. I wonder if the other house brands like napa, car quest, o'reilly, and federated will do, or have done the same?

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Originally Posted By: NHRATA
Thanks! I'm pretty surprised Valvoline dropped sodium. I wonder if the other house brands like napa, car quest, o'reilly, and federated will do, or have done the same?



Very likely as sodium was targeted as a possible cause of LSPI. Since everyone has already or is reformulating for d1G2 sodium should be pretty much gone just like calcium levels have been lowered.


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Originally Posted By: PimTac
Originally Posted By: NHRATA
Thanks! I'm pretty surprised Valvoline dropped sodium. I wonder if the other house brands like napa, car quest, o'reilly, and federated will do, or have done the same?



Very likely as sodium was targeted as a possible cause of LSPI. Since everyone has already or is reformulating for d1G2 sodium should be pretty much gone just like calcium levels have been lowered.


And the solution to that is not buy a better oil but a better car.



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Originally Posted By: NHRATA
Thanks! I'm pretty surprised Valvoline dropped sodium. I wonder if the other house brands like napa, car quest, o'reilly, and federated will do, or have done the same?


My initial guess is yes, but that's pure speculation. However one data point, last week I purchased 2 cases of Napa Synthetic 0w20 for use in customer cars, both cases carry a Dexos 1 Gen 2 label so my guess is even the Napa house brand oils have been re formulated as well.


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Yep and it seems to be following a 15 year trend where oils of today keep getting better & better, as-do engine designs to prevent things like sludge.

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Re: Valvoline oils ditching sodium? [Re: FlyNavyP3] #4686441
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Originally Posted By: FlyNavyP3
Originally Posted By: NHRATA
Thanks! I'm pretty surprised Valvoline dropped sodium. I wonder if the other house brands like napa, car quest, o'reilly, and federated will do, or have done the same?


My initial guess is yes, but that's pure speculation. However one data point, last week I purchased 2 cases of Napa Synthetic 0w20 for use in customer cars, both cases carry a Dexos 1 Gen 2 label so my guess is even the Napa house brand oils have been re formulated as well.


LUKE: Thanks for your input and hope you are well smile


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