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#4680126 - 02/27/18 10:44 PM Finding fuel to oil leak?
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
My 2011 Equinox 2.4l is scheduled to go to the dealer in the morning for excessive fuel in the oil.
2.3% in 3,200 miles.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4679593/Re:_UOA:_2011_Equinox_2.4l_-_f#Post4679593

It has a high pressure fuel pump which is the likely culprit.

My question is, does anybody here know how likely they will find the problem?
I'm getting quezzey about getting stuck with a $119 per hour diagnostic fee and $30 car rental for nothing.
I won't have to pay anything if they find something wrong.
This dealer did an engine rebuild less than a year ago and warranties their work plus I have a purchased extended warranty too.

How easy/difficult is it to find the leak?

Thank you in advance :-)
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#4680143 - 02/27/18 11:20 PM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 18217
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
If I know dealers they will get the diagnostic time and throw a pump at it and hope for the best.
You probably wont be charged but I would bet its a 50/50 if its actually repaired.
It may take a couple of visits for them to hose the warranty for a few bucks. Seriously, that's the game.
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#4680167 - 02/28/18 12:05 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
Snagglefoot Offline


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1263
Loc: Alberta
I hope they help you but they may say “you had an UO What done? Your car runs fine. Take a hike.” I doubt they guarantee your UOA excess fuel to be less than 2%. They’re more used to dealing with a piston that blew through the side of the block. I could be wrong. If they help you they are one great shop. Back to my popcorn.

popcorn


Edited by Snagglefoot (02/28/18 12:32 AM)

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#4680204 - 02/28/18 02:30 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Snagglefoot]
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
Unfortunately, I never get to talk with an actual mechanic. Just the service rep who has no clue.
I told him i did a leak down test and the numbers were about 95, 96, 89, and 98. (Chalk 89 up to not getting tdc). His reply was "um, I'm not sure what the specs are for your car." duh
He then asked if I had a check engine light.... I...just...can't...anymore... smirk
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#4680242 - 02/28/18 05:29 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Trav]
Smoky14 Offline


Registered: 04/23/03
Posts: 1324
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Originally Posted By: Trav
If I know dealers they will get the diagnostic time and throw a pump at it and hope for the best.
You probably wont be charged but I would bet its a 50/50 if its actually repaired.
It may take a couple of visits for them to hose the warranty for a few bucks. Seriously, that's the game.


There are mechanics and there are parts changers...I hope you get a good wrench. I certainly agree with the 50/50.

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#4680303 - 02/28/18 07:00 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
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Pull yr injectors to check for leaks, then suspect rings.
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#4680305 - 02/28/18 07:01 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
Snagglefoot Offline


Registered: 12/31/17
Posts: 1263
Loc: Alberta
In the meantime may I suggest a good quality fuel injector cleaner. Couldn’t hurt.

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#4680320 - 02/28/18 07:15 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
ls973800 Offline


Registered: 01/30/13
Posts: 123
Loc: Lake County, Ohio
2011 Equinox and Terrain with the 2.4 engine were prone to a few major problems. Engine oil consumption and fuel in the oil were two of the concerns. Here is a link to some of the concerns and solutions on an Equinox forum.

I am sure your dealer has seen the problem before and will take care of it. My brother had purchased a new 2011 2.4 Equinox and because of the fuel in the oil and the timing chain problems, GM bought the vehicle back under a lemon law.

Equinox 2.4 Fuel In Oil


Edited by ls973800 (02/28/18 07:17 AM)

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#4680328 - 02/28/18 07:22 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Olas]
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: Olas
Pull yr injectors to check for leaks, then suspect rings.

Per leakdown test, rings should be good.
Injectors are located under the intake manifold and an AC lines runs through the intake manifold...
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#4680333 - 02/28/18 07:26 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: ls973800]
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: ls973800
2011 Equinox and Terrain with the 2.4 engine were prone to a few major problems. Engine oil consumption and fuel in the oil were two of the concerns. Here is a link to some of the concerns and solutions on an Equinox forum.

I am sure your dealer has seen the problem before and will take care of it. My brother had purchased a new 2011 2.4 Equinox and because of the fuel in the oil and the timing chain problems, GM bought the vehicle back under a lemon law.

Equinox 2.4 Fuel In Oil


Thanks for the tip, bit I am very aware of these issues. See link in my original post. :-)
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#4680344 - 02/28/18 07:37 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Olas]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 18217
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: Olas
Pull yr injectors to check for leaks, then suspect rings.


No need for that just look at the fuel trims.
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#4680436 - 02/28/18 09:22 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Trav]
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Olas
Pull yr injectors to check for leaks, then suspect rings.


No need for that just look at the fuel trims.


Fuel tim looks really good...after I replaced the MAF sensor a month or so ago. thumbsup
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#4680442 - 02/28/18 09:29 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
Iowegian Offline


Registered: 01/05/17
Posts: 273
Loc: Iowa
So they have the car. Will update when I know anything.

I also gained a little respect for the service rep this morning and some insite on something I always suspected. He said something like, "I'm not a wrench and I usually find it is better if I don't know alot about how to work on the cars."

At least he admits it. Lol.
However, that may be the main problem at these dealer's service departments. We don't really get to talk to the guy who is working on the car.
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#4680467 - 02/28/18 10:08 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
Posts: 18217
Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: Iowegian
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Olas
Pull yr injectors to check for leaks, then suspect rings.


No need for that just look at the fuel trims.


Fuel tim looks really good...after I replaced the MAF sensor a month or so ago. thumbsup



It might be normal for this engine in cold weather depending on how fat the run it cold, I see a lot of engines have a strong fuel odor in the oil in the winter. Lot of short trips in the cold weather?
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#4680496 - 02/28/18 10:46 AM Re: Finding fuel to oil leak? [Re: Iowegian]
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 7467
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Originally Posted By: Iowegian
So they have the car. Will update when I know anything.

I also gained a little respect for the service rep this morning and some insite on something I always suspected. He said something like, "I'm not a wrench and I usually find it is better if I don't know alot about how to work on the cars."

At least he admits it. Lol.
However, that may be the main problem at these dealer's service departments. We don't really get to talk to the guy who is working on the car.
They're just glorified salesmen-as long as they sound knowledgeable, look halfway normal, and don't have dirt in their fingernails-THEY'RE IN! Personally, I don't think most service advisers know which end of a screwdriver to hold, and my local Ford dealers are the worst!
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