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How close to Service Limit? #4677293
02/25/18 07:35 AM
02/25/18 07:35 AM
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West Chester, PA
artbuc Offline OP
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It took a few years of recovery but I finally gave up 3k oil changes. Now I am working on getting more mileage out of my brakes. The service limit on my MDX is 1.6 mm. Akebono says I could go down to 1mm. I am changing front pads this morning which average 3.5mm. I can not ever see myself going below that. In my mind I just donít see the point of trying to squeeze out the last 1-2mm of pad life. How close do you guys get to your service limit before replacing pads?

Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677299
02/25/18 07:39 AM
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most wait for a noise.


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677301
02/25/18 07:40 AM
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30% or so is my limit, BMW says this is the minimum amount of pad life to provide braking consistent with what OE performance for heat dissipation. If I happen to see something with the brakes that looks questionable, I just replace it. Gives me a chance to upgrade to a better pad or rotor.


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677315
02/25/18 07:57 AM
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I'll usually replace pads as a matter of convenience.
The newer Accord will get new pads at both ends sometime before next winter whether it needs it or not, for example.
I'll wait for a good deal on pads and then do the deed.
OTOH, there is no particular virtue in changing brake pads early. The term "service limit" means exactly that and as long as metal to metal contact is avoided it's all good.


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677341
02/25/18 08:19 AM
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Reunion Island
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I replace pads when either:

- less than 1mm compound left, or

- metal-to-metal contact beginning because disc is used too much

In the end, I usually go through 2 entire pads set on the Koleos (2 tons, AT, door to door) before replacing discs (70000km), where as on the Kangoo or Yaris (lightweight, MT) Iíll go through 3 or even pads set before changing discs. The discs on Yaris are from factory, barely used.

Of course, I use only organic.


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677344
02/25/18 08:21 AM
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I change rotors and pads at the same time. So I typically run them down to the limit.


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677348
02/25/18 08:27 AM
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With our 3500 service vans we run them to the limit, which is generally 1-3 mm of pad. But we will only change rotors when required, and that is rare.

BTW, our oem pads always go well over 100k miles!


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677359
02/25/18 08:37 AM
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I just did a brake job on a 2010 Malibu that used up over 100% of the brake pad. The caliper piston was doing the braking. It's pretty amazing what people drive.


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677362
02/25/18 08:39 AM
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I look at the pads every time I rotate tires. I don't measure, I quit doing that when I quit my job as a mechanic at a Honda dealer.
My VW and my wifes Audi have a sensor built into one of the front brake pads that lights up a warning in the instrument cluster when your pads are worn.
Smart Germans!


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: eyeofthetiger] #4677364
02/25/18 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: eyeofthetiger
I just did a brake job on a 2010 Malibu that used up over 100% of the brake pad. The caliper piston was doing the braking. It's pretty amazing what people drive.

Amazing that the piston didn't get slightly out of alignment, or even fell off...


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: edwardh1] #4677392
02/25/18 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: edwardh1
most wait for a noise.

+1

Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677403
02/25/18 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: artbuc
It took a few years of recovery but I finally gave up 3k oil changes. Now I am working on getting more mileage out of my brakes. The service limit on my MDX is 1.6 mm. Akebono says I could go down to 1mm. I am changing front pads this morning which average 3.5mm. I can not ever see myself going below that. In my mind I just donít see the point of trying to squeeze out the last 1-2mm of pad life. How close do you guys get to your service limit before replacing pads?


I don't see what the big deal is to use up the pad life. You have over 2 mm, thats probably a years worth of driving easily. But then again, if you have the time or the weather is good thats a great time to get it done too.

Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677425
02/25/18 09:52 AM
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West Chester, PA
artbuc Offline OP
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Yeah, I look at it this way. I will replace the pads one time on this vehicle and makes little diff if I do it now or next year. At my age I am starting to do things early just in case I may not be able to do them later.

Last edited by artbuc; 02/25/18 09:53 AM.
Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: Superflan] #4677444
02/25/18 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: Superflan
Originally Posted By: eyeofthetiger
I just did a brake job on a 2010 Malibu that used up over 100% of the brake pad. The caliper piston was doing the braking. It's pretty amazing what people drive.

Amazing that the piston didn't get slightly out of alignment, or even fell off...


Oh, the piston fell out when I removed the caliper. The car got got a whole new caliper.


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Re: How close to Service Limit? [Re: artbuc] #4677474
02/25/18 10:28 AM
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I'm surprised we have had any theories on Extend Brake Changes. (EBC) popcorn


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