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1996 Honda Accord - no crank #4675925
02/23/18 09:09 PM
02/23/18 09:09 PM
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Holland, MI USA
DutchBrad Offline OP
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Hello all:

I have a 1996 Honda Accord LX 2.2 four cylinder, the car will not crank. The battery is fine, the starter I just replaced, it acts like it has a short when you turn the key to crank it. The idiot lights go dim, it makes a small click before the lights dim out. It "recovers" (stops acting like it has a short) after a few minutes, so you try to crank again, and it does the same thing. Once when I had the headlights on it cranked over and started. Any ideas??

I replaced the starter thinking the solenoid was causing the electrical short. Did not fix the issue.

Help!

DutchBrad


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4675930
02/23/18 09:13 PM
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Checked both battery cables and connections/grounds?


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4675931
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Its not a short. It's an open.It has a bad connection or cable.

Last edited by Chris142; 02/23/18 09:13 PM.

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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: Chris142] #4675938
02/23/18 09:20 PM
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Holland, MI USA
DutchBrad Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
Its not a short. It's an open.It has a bad connection or cable.


This is a new one for me. An open will drain the battery? I just had the battery out and cleaned the connectors when it was out to do the starter last night. Same condition. I will check the grounds. I pulled the battery connection off again to avoid a dead battery.


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4675940
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I don't believe you mentioned the battery drain in your initial post...


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: Alex_V] #4675952
02/23/18 09:30 PM
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DutchBrad Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Alex_V
I don't believe you mentioned the battery drain in your initial post...


The car does not have a battery drain after the short/open whatever is causing the dim idiot lights recovers. When you go to crank the car, the idiot lights go dim, but after a couple of minutes the short/open condition stops. I thought it was the solenoid shorting out. Sorry for the confusion. I was pretty surprised when the same condition happened with the new starter in place and wired up. I unhooked the battery last night because I had to get inside and did not know how long the condition would take to recover. It is like a fuse resets or something, but when I go to crank it again, the dim lights happen again with no starter movement, only a small click. Could not tell where the click came from.


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4675955
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Check the ignition switch. I had a 95 Odyssey and I needed to swap out the switch. I recall it was common on mid 90s Hondas.

Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4675995
02/23/18 10:26 PM
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Do you have a volt meter?


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4676018
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Did you check the battery cables only at the battery? Did you check the ground connection at the other end of the cable from the battery? One is on the radiator support, should be another on the engine block. Clean them with baking soda mixed with water, and your old tooth brush, report back.

And get a volt meter, check voltage please.


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4676180
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Originally Posted By: DutchBrad
The battery is fine,


How did you come to this conclusion?


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4676194
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Sounds like a flat/dead battery, if its charged then as someone posted look at the ignition switch.

Last edited by Trav; 02/24/18 08:08 AM.

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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4676254
02/24/18 09:12 AM
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+2 on the ignition switch to be checked out.


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4676961
02/24/18 08:48 PM
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Holland, MI USA
DutchBrad Offline OP
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Just took a look at the car again today, the car started in neutral. So it is the neutral safety switch. Not a fan of all that safety [censored]. Might try a way to bypass it? If not, I will replace the switch. Thanks for all the comments, much appreciated.


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: Papa Bear] #4676962
02/24/18 08:49 PM
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DutchBrad Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Originally Posted By: DutchBrad
The battery is fine,


How did you come to this conclusion?


I had the battery out and ran it in my other Accord. It also showed 12.6 volts when I checked it.


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Re: 1996 Honda Accord - no crank [Re: DutchBrad] #4677178
02/25/18 01:30 AM
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Neutral safety switch will not cause all the lights to go out. You have a bad connection in one of the major power or ground wires. Use your voltmeter to find out where the voltage is being lost.

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