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How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: #4675092
02/23/18 07:46 AM
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Speak2Mountain Offline OP
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https://www.truedelta.com/car-reliability-by-brand?min=2000&max=2018

No surprises w/top 3 (Scion, Lexus, Toyota)
Surprises w/next 3 Kia, MB, and Jeep
Then there's Buick always at top of JD Power new car but toward bottom of long-term pack

Lastly, there's Caddy and Tesla.

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4675098
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If valid information (and I have no reason to doubt it), MB tends to take a beating on reliability so it was a surprise to see them appear at No. 6.


2018 MB AMG GLC43 3.0L Coupe - Castrol 0W-40/Purflux
2018 MB C300 2.0L - M1 0W-40/OEM
2015 F-250 6.7L PS Diesel - Delo 15W-40/CQ Blue
2014 Explorer 3.5L Limited - M1 AFE 0W-20/FU
Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: 2015_PSD] #4675100
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MB is bolstered by its older cars. Its newer cars were somewhat less reliable, but still yeah...big shock.

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4675105
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Interesting that Tesla is having problems. They are probably having to tighten up the bands on the flux capacitor.


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Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Snagglefoot] #4675108
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Need more power.

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4675112
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What's the number in parentheses next to the make?


2018 Challenger SRT
Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: dishdude] #4675115
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It's the number of owners reporting. So Scion (for example) has only two owners who gave information to them to create the data points from. Not enough, obviously, to actually put that brand into the reliable or unreliable category.

In contrast we have Honda at 81 ... probably enough to get some confidence in the rating for that brand alone.

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Johnny2Bad] #4675120
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That's what I thought, kind of renders the entire thing useless. With all the different models and powertrain combos, not to mention not knowing what caused the repair visit.

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Johnny2Bad] #4675134
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Using only two responses to draw a conclusion in a study is a joke. They should have at least set a threshold of 30, or 40 respondents before reporting results for a particular brand. Sample field is too small to draw any type of conclusion. I give this study two thumbs down!!

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: dishdude] #4675135
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Originally Posted By: dishdude
That's what I thought, kind of renders the entire thing useless. With all the different models and powertrain combos, not to mention not knowing what caused the repair visit.

No, its the number of model years counted. So Scion only had 2 years of a model with enough data to report on, which I think is a bit misleading, but also Scion only had like 2 drivetrains between all its models so I guess it means something.
Like he says though, brand reliability isn't really a useful metric for buying a used car... You are buying a single model. Brand reliability could be an indicator of how reliable a new model should be, but its no guarantee...

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: dishdude] #4675141
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Prolly, total models in survey

Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4675146
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I think the cost to own is more important than the number of times it needs repair. If a Honda is say 10% more likely to need repairs but those repairs cost 1/3 of what the Lexus costs than the Honda is the winner in my opinion. And by experience the Lexus probably is 3x more expensive to fix. Parts cost a fortune for Lexus!


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Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4675268
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A g-g-german car at 6? No way, it has to be rigged!


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Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4675374
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It belong to TrueDelta. The only way the TD info gets better is when more people join and log their data.

Go join!


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2013 Nissan Maxima SV
2009 Ford Flex SEL FWD
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Re: How Well Do Cars Hold Up....True Delta Says: [Re: KGMtech] #4675386
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And there are cars they won't rate because they don't have enough data.

My 1999 Grand Marquis is not rated. Apparently not enough respondents.

But my other four cars are reported every quarter.

Originally Posted By: KGMtech
It belong to TrueDelta. The only way the TD info gets better is when more people join and log their data.

Go join!


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