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PP 0/40 or M1 0/40 #4674885
02/22/18 10:50 PM
02/22/18 10:50 PM
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California
Bullwinkle007 Offline OP
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So I'm going to run this in my Accord. I like the M1 specs. VI 180, zinc and prosperous levels are around 1100 mark, nice for a little more wear protection with vehicle at 118k. I have used PP before but a 0/20 What I cannot find is detailed specs for PP only their typical advertising stuff. The other thing I like is both are ACEA rated. I feel their specs are better than API. Honda UK says to use ACEA A3/B3 or A5/B5. And API SM.

Weights as follows
0/20 best MPG
0/30 0/40
5/40 5/30
10/30 10/40

Re: PP 0/40 or M1 0/40 [Re: Bullwinkle007] #4674902
02/22/18 11:03 PM
02/22/18 11:03 PM
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Castrol is on sale at Walmart now 0w-40 for $21.


2004 Corolla 124770
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: PP 0/40 or M1 0/40 [Re: Bullwinkle007] #4674904
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What objective evidence do you hold that indicates that 1100 ppm ZDDP is necessary for your engine at 118k, or that higher viscosity is necessary to meet your intended lifetime?

Re: PP 0/40 or M1 0/40 [Re: Bullwinkle007] #4674909
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What does your owners manual say?


2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring

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Re: PP 0/40 or M1 0/40 [Re: Bullwinkle007] #4675136
02/23/18 08:43 AM
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FWIW, the last UOA I have of M1 0w40 FS in my wife's BMW showed zinc at 1088 but phosphorus was at 911. Don't let ZDDP be the deciding factor in an oil though, there are newer ways to provide anti wear protection these days.


2018 Corvette (M1 5w30 ESP Formula & Fram Ultra)
2006 Civic EX Coupe (PUP 5w20 & Fram Ultra)
2010 BMW 328i X-Drive (GC 0w40 & Fram Ultra)


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