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5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? #4674760
02/22/18 08:19 PM
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TallerTrucker Offline OP
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2012 Ram 1500 4.7L V8
80,250 miles
Used 5w-20 (per owner's manual) full sythetic (M1 or PP) since I got the truck at 22k miles.

Truck used to live a far more balanced life, 60% highway/40% short trip driving. For the last year and a half, it is more like 80% short trips/20% highway- and will likely stay on that use since I changed jobs. Last week, the oil life monitor dinged me for a 6month change even though it had only driven 3500 miles. PP out, PP in, Napa Gold 7899 off, Purolator BOSS on. (AAP special)

Questions:
-With the frequent short trips that NEVER get the oil to operating temps, what's the opinion on OCI?
-With the short tripping, does a 0w-20 make any sense?
-I live in Colorado, so with the cold winters, does it make sense to consider a viscosity change for the winter?
-Other suggestions for reducing the short trip wear? Besides riding a bicycle?

Fire away!


2012 Ram 1500 Big Horn 5.7 Hemi V8 (His)
2015 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T (Hers)

There are no stupid questions...Except "What's the best oil?"
Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674774
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I think the 0W=30 AFE is a great oil.


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Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674788
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You can use 0w-20 synthetic year-round.


'95 Chevy 1/2t 305 205k -NexGen Maxlife 5w-30, Wix filter
'89 Jeep Comanche 4.0 278k - GC 0w-30, Bosch LongLife filter
Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674826
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Go for a nice relaxing highway 30min out, 30min back drive once every 2 weeks and sleep well.



Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674847
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I would definitely use 0W-20 synthetic in the winter. You can also use it year round.

Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: CT8] #4674870
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Originally Posted By: CT8
I think the 0W=30 AFE is a great oil.


That M1 AFE in that grade is terrible along with the 0/20. If you look at the specs, the ppm of zinc and prosperous Is low compared to other brands

Imho 5/30 is offers more protection, looking at specs, not much difference in the low weights in the cold flow unless your in sub zeros

Last edited by Bullwinkle007; 02/22/18 10:31 PM.
Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674881
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CT8- What is AFE?

oldhp- Is that just to burn off any water/fuel in the oil?

Bullwinkle- If it gets THAT cold, there's nowhere I NEED to be that won't be there the next day.

I know I COULD use 0w-20 year round, I am worried about the wear protection when climbing the Rockies in the summer. I don't ski but I do camp. Climbing Eisenhower Pass requires multiple stretches of WOT at 4k+ RPM for minutes at a time. Yea, the engine needs more HP at altitude (it was fine tooling around NJ in its previous duty) so I am trying to protect what power is does make now.


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2015 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T (Hers)

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Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674887
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Originally Posted By: TallerTrucker
CT8- What is AFE?

oldhp- Is that just to burn off any water/fuel in the oil?

Bullwinkle- If it gets THAT cold, there's nowhere I NEED to be that won't be there the next day.

I know I COULD use 0w-20 year round, I am worried about the wear protection when climbing the Rockies in the summer. I don't ski but I do camp. Climbing Eisenhower Pass requires multiple stretches of WOT at 4k+ RPM for minutes at a time. Yea, the engine needs more HP at altitude (it was fine tooling around NJ in its previous duty) so I am trying to protect what power is does make now.


I would run a 5/30 does this model truck have the cylinder deactivation? If it does I have heard rumors to stick with the 5/20. If not I would run a 5/30. You could also use a 10/30

Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674899
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You could use a synthetic 5W-30 in the summer and 0W-20 in the winter. Oil changes twice a year. The 5W-30 should help with wear when flooring it up the mountain. The only way to know is a UOA though.

Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674913
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Whats the cold flow difference between the 5w20 and 0w20, maybe 5-10 degrees? I just don't see a real tangible benefit. Your fine with the recommended 5w20 and it's cheaper. Just my .02


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2018 Subaru Outback 2.5i
2018 Ford F350 6.2L

Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674926
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5w20 Full Synthetic is fine.


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Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674945
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There is not a whole lot of difference between a 0w or 5w-20 oil. The 5w-20 might be a little cheaper. Pick any of the major brands and run with it year round.

Mobil1 AFE is a good oil as is Valvoline, Shell, etc.


2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring

Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w20
Mobil 1 M108A EP filter

Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: Bullwinkle007] #4674960
02/23/18 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bullwinkle007
Originally Posted By: CT8
I think the 0W=30 AFE is a great oil.


That M1 AFE in that grade is terrible along with the 0/20. If you look at the specs, the ppm of zinc and prosperous Is low compared to other brands


And this is based on what exactly, your extensive tear-down testing experience or just baseless posit stated as fact?

For modern engines that require the designations and approvals that these oils meet, they are perfectly suitable and offer the same level of performance as any other product that carries the same.


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674964
02/23/18 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: TallerTrucker
2012 Ram 1500 4.7L V8
80,250 miles
Used 5w-20 (per owner's manual) full sythetic (M1 or PP) since I got the truck at 22k miles.

Truck used to live a far more balanced life, 60% highway/40% short trip driving. For the last year and a half, it is more like 80% short trips/20% highway- and will likely stay on that use since I changed jobs. Last week, the oil life monitor dinged me for a 6month change even though it had only driven 3500 miles. PP out, PP in, Napa Gold 7899 off, Purolator BOSS on. (AAP special)

Questions:
-With the frequent short trips that NEVER get the oil to operating temps, what's the opinion on OCI?
-With the short tripping, does a 0w-20 make any sense?
-I live in Colorado, so with the cold winters, does it make sense to consider a viscosity change for the winter?
-Other suggestions for reducing the short trip wear? Besides riding a bicycle?

Fire away!


Since you are already paying for synthetic, the financials of the situation don't really matter.

You live in Colorado, I assume you see some reasonably cold starts. Do you use a block heater?

If you periodically see temperatures approaching the CCS limits of the 5w-xx designation (-30C/-22F) then it may be advantageous to move to the 0w-20, which would be a touch easier on your battery at those temps.

M1 EP 0w-20 would be my choice due to its PAO content, but you can't go wrong with really any 0w-20 on the shelf. The 4.7L isn't a highly demanding application.


You may want to consider doing a UOA to see how much fuel dilution you are experiencing with the short tripping. That'll aide in determining how long you can safely go between changes.


2018 RAM 1500 Big Horn EcoDiesel
2016 Grand Cherokee SRT
Re: 5w-20 to 0w-20 for winter? Or for short trips? [Re: TallerTrucker] #4674970
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Recently did an engine start at -22 degrees F with 5W-30 synthetic. It took 4 seconds to get full oil pressure. No big deal but 0W-xx would have been friendlier to the engine.

Last edited by Snagglefoot; 02/23/18 01:06 AM.

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