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Need Oil Change Advice #4673221
02/21/18 01:51 PM
02/21/18 01:51 PM
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Richmond, VA
Fulgore Offline OP
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Richmond, VA
Hello all, I am starting to think about how to get a balance between saving money while keeping the car in good condition throughout its life (6 years/180k miles)
I drive 3000 highway miles and a couple of short trips each month.
Should I do:
1. SuperTech oil + SuperTech filter every 1 month/2500 miles ~$210/year
2. Cheapest Dexos1 Gen2 oil + Fram Ultra filter every 2 months/5000 miles ~$210/year
3. Mobil Annual oil + Mobil filter every 3 months/10000 miles ~$240/year

I check the dipstick once every week. I figure that the oil color changes from amber to dark brown very quickly (after ~1000 miles use), no matter which kind of oil put in (Mobil Super, Castrol Magnatec etc) . I have heard that carbon is the main factor and frequent oil changes can keep the carbon away. And I always feel the motor starts to feel a bit noisier after ~2000 miles.

Which of the options would you pick? Personally I doubt if the Mobil AP could last 20k miles and so I think a 10k interval should be conservative enough ensuring proper lubrication. My car is a 2017 Nissan Versa, 8 months old/25k miles now. Nissan recommends 6 months/5000 miles interval. Thank you for your help and have a good day.

Last edited by Fulgore; 02/21/18 01:56 PM.
Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673229
02/21/18 01:58 PM
02/21/18 01:58 PM
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Just change it every 5k on dino SuperTech - especially with all your highway driving. keep it topped off between changes and you'll be fine. Oil filter doesn't matter - SuperTech or cheap Fram is all you need.


92 Suburban 2500 7.4L 58k M1_0w40 5yr OCI
99 Olds Aurora 4.0L 91K M1_5w30 5yr OCI
13 Dodge Dart 2.0L 30k PP 0w20 OLM OCI
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Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673232
02/21/18 02:00 PM
02/21/18 02:00 PM
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Soviet State of Washington
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You will be wasting money and good oil using the Mobil annual or AP oil. Stick with any major brand that meets the specs for your Nissan.


2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring

Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w20
Mobil 1 M108A EP filter

Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: PimTac] #4673251
02/21/18 02:15 PM
02/21/18 02:15 PM
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Virginia
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I agree with PimTac here.

I have 220k miles and counting in my Nissan Altima 3.5 VQ. Candidly I would run Mobil Super 5w30 or Havoline DS 5w30 in your car. Oil filter... Fram orange can is a fine choice. Or if you want to keep a filter on for 2-3 runs go with a Fram Ultra.


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Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: bbhero] #4673252
02/21/18 02:16 PM
02/21/18 02:16 PM
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^ YEAH!!!!! What he said. smile

Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673258
02/21/18 02:22 PM
02/21/18 02:22 PM
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Richmond, VA
Fulgore Offline OP
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Hey guys, I appreciate your help. Maybe I am over-maintaining my car but I have seen some UOAs here that the conventional stuff (e.g. Mobil Super) got thinned out a grade by 3000 miles. I think the wear will be significantly higher if the oil is thinned out?

Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673264
02/21/18 02:24 PM
02/21/18 02:24 PM
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Richmond, VA
Fulgore Offline OP
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Richmond, VA
One more question, the Fram Ultra got 99% efficiency @ 20 microns while the SuperTech is 95% @ 30 micron and Mobil Filter is 99% [email protected] 30 microns. How much damage will be done to the engine for having a less efficient filter?

Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673273
02/21/18 02:30 PM
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Mississippi
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Fram Ultra will do.

Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673274
02/21/18 02:31 PM
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Ada county Idaho
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I don't worry to much about the efficiency myself. Maybe being foolish with that. Having said that I do use the Supertech filter. As to your original question that opened this discussion I would go with the Conventional Supertech. I perhaps would go 6000 miles or the two months to save even more. With highway miles I would think it may be OK. Yet I would also be ok with less miles on the oil so your call.

I think the more often changes with Supertech vs. annual change with M1 would be a better way to go with the engine. Just my two cents. Let us know what you decide to do. Also I have a Versa Note and love the car. I don't think there is much sump capacity in them so I tend to change the oil pretty often in mine. 3000 miles OCI. Oil does darken up pretty fast in the engine. So I like to not put to much demand on the oil when there is so little of it in the engine.

Last edited by MRtv; 02/21/18 02:34 PM.

2014 Nissan Versa Note 1.6 liter engine. 1997 Ford F150 4x4 4.6 liter engine.
Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673275
02/21/18 02:31 PM
02/21/18 02:31 PM
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I highly, highly doubt Mobil Super 5w30 would shear out of grade in a motor that's in a Versa.

My VQ 3.5... whole other matter. But I don't run oils forever and day in it.

Mobil Super will have up just fine in your Versa. We have a member who went 14k miles with Mobil Super in his truck that did a lot of towing... And Mobil Super stayed in grade. Far more strenuous circumstance than your car's motor will ever see.


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Quaker State High Mileage 5w30 Purolator Boss 14610
"Treat your family like your friends and treat your friends like your family."
Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: bigt61] #4673279
02/21/18 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: bigt61
Just change it every 5k on dino SuperTech - especially with all your highway driving. keep it topped off between changes and you'll be fine. Oil filter doesn't matter - SuperTech or cheap Fram is all you need.
this. Changing it every 2500 is wasteful.


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Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673285
02/21/18 02:37 PM
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What does the owners manual recommend? Lets start from there.


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Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673296
02/21/18 02:42 PM
02/21/18 02:42 PM
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Chicago Suburbs
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I would stick with #2 with all of the highway miles you drive


07 Ford Freestyle 135K
04 Hyundai Sonata 280K
03 Hyundai Santa Fe 165K
02 Ford Tarus 98K
00 Buick Regal SC 135K
95 Goldwing 28K

Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673297
02/21/18 02:42 PM
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I actually use the Ultra for THREE 5K synthetic blend OCIs on 2 vehicles in my sig (the Jeep & Grand Marquis) & for TWO 10K full synthetic OCIs on the xB in my sig. As long as your engine is clean, it can take it. There are also members here who will cut open filters & post pictures of how they did (I usually just do my own).


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2)
Re: Need Oil Change Advice [Re: Fulgore] #4673303
02/21/18 02:47 PM
02/21/18 02:47 PM
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Wet side WA
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Look for any major brand of full synthetic that is under $20 on sale with an available rebate. You will find once you start looking in earnest they really aren't that hard to find. Then at 5000 miles run an UOA and see what the TBN tells you about how much life is left in that oil.

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 02/21/18 02:48 PM.

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