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#4672668 - 02/21/18 03:15 AM Federal Personal Defense
BlueOvalFitter Offline


Registered: 02/28/03
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I have looked on YT for a ballistics gel test on this ammo, Federal Personal Defense 180 gr. .40 caliber JHP, and the HST round comes up. Is it actually an HST round, just re-branded? Anyone have any experience with this ammo?

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/...ounds?a=1593143

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#4672750 - 02/21/18 07:26 AM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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No. Just look at the two rounds. FPD has only a dimple on the top edge of the bullet while HST has serrations all the way to the case. FPD has a brass case while HST is nickel. These features plus the low price of the FPD positions it as Federal’s “economy” grade HP positioned below HST marketing-wise. I don’t know about performance.



Edited by Indydriver (02/21/18 07:33 AM)
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#4672801 - 02/21/18 08:21 AM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: Indydriver]
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Originally Posted By: Indydriver
No. Just look at the two rounds. FPD has only a dimple on the top edge of the bullet while HST has serrations all the way to the case. FPD has a brass case while HST is nickel. These features plus the low price of the FPD positions it as Federal’s “economy” grade HP positioned below HST marketing-wise. I don’t know about performance.


Thanks for that info. I couldn't find any ballistics on it, so I just left it at that. Until I came here and asked about it. There are some very knowledgeable firearms owners on here, so I knew I would get the answer here.
THANK YOU!
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#4672967 - 02/21/18 10:01 AM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Jugs of water , phone books, and dirt

Maybe a 22 is all we need..


Edited by CourierDriver (02/21/18 10:02 AM)
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#4673352 - 02/21/18 02:26 PM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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As indydribver so astutely observed the bullet and casing are much more economically minded in the link you provided vs the true Premium HST. Fact is the FPD is likely 20+year old tech and bulk components, likely a contract overrun from some military or gov contract. The FEderal Premium HST stuff is the latest and their best tech and components and purpose built and designed for the best possible performance in situations where things like that matters.

Coincidentally these rounds are available in LE marked packages of 50 rounds for probably less than that 25 round box would run you from a retail store, if you know where to look online. SG Ammo 9mm HST
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#4673410 - 02/21/18 03:18 PM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: Balrog006]
BlueOvalFitter Offline


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Originally Posted By: Balrog006
As indydribver so astutely observed the bullet and casing are much more economically minded in the link you provided vs the true Premium HST. Fact is the FPD is likely 20+year old tech and bulk components, likely a contract overrun from some military or gov contract. The FEderal Premium HST stuff is the latest and their best tech and components and purpose built and designed for the best possible performance in situations where things like that matters.

Coincidentally these rounds are available in LE marked packages of 50 rounds for probably less than that 25 round box would run you from a retail store, if you know where to look online. SG Ammo 9mm HST

I buy most of my ammo from SGAmmo.com

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#4673553 - 02/21/18 05:05 PM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: CourierDriver]
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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
Jugs of water , phone books, and dirt

Maybe a 22 is all we need..


I would not want to be shot with a hollow point .22 Magnum. High velocity does wonders.

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#4673599 - 02/21/18 05:44 PM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: Balrog006]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Originally Posted By: Balrog006
Coincidentally these rounds are available in LE marked packages of 50 rounds for probably less than that 25 round box would run you from a retail store, if you know where to look online. SG Ammo 9mm HST


That's a good price, might pick up some.

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#4673636 - 02/21/18 06:20 PM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Not HST; you tell from the bullet profile and the serrations in the jacket. Secondary consideration is the cartridge case is brass and not nickel.
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#4673988 - 02/21/18 11:56 PM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: 2015_PSD]
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Not HST; you tell from the bullet profile and the serrations in the jacket. Secondary consideration is the cartridge case is brass and not nickel.

I always buy HST ammo from SGAmmo.com I used to buy it from ACADEMY until they stopped selling it. Every time I went to YT to look for a ballistics gel test on this JHP, it would go to an HST video, which is why I asked if it were re-branded HST ammo.

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#4674053 - 02/22/18 06:36 AM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I always buy HST ammo from SGAmmo.com I used to buy it from ACADEMY until they stopped selling it. Every time I went to YT to look for a ballistics gel test on this JHP, it would go to an HST video, which is why I asked if it were re-branded HST ammo.
For 9MM and .45ACP, you should give Bone Frog a look. Their 9MM HST is currently $17.75 per 50 round box and shipping is more than reasonable.
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#4674096 - 02/22/18 07:39 AM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: 2015_PSD]
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I always buy HST ammo from SGAmmo.com I used to buy it from ACADEMY until they stopped selling it. Every time I went to YT to look for a ballistics gel test on this JHP, it would go to an HST video, which is why I asked if it were re-branded HST ammo.
For 9MM and .45ACP, you should give Bone Frog a look. Their 9MM HST is currently $17.75 per 50 round box and shipping is more than reasonable.

Thank You Sir. They do have some excellent prices! thumbsup USA

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#4676220 - 02/24/18 08:35 AM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Saw this write-up on it this morning and thought I would share.
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#4676362 - 02/24/18 10:52 AM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: 2015_PSD]
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Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Saw this write-up on it this morning and thought I would share.

I saw the write up on that ammo after SHOT SHOW 2018. There were a lot of mixed opinions on it, mostly negative. Some think it came out just to coincide with the FBI's hair brain thinking about going back to the 9mm. I like the HYDRA-SHOK, but prefer the HST round. I will say this though, it's an improvement over the older HYDRA-SHOK round.
Thanks for sharing that 2015_PSD.
thumbsup USA

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#4676440 - 02/24/18 12:09 PM Re: Federal Personal Defense [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Loc: Glendale, Arizona
They advertise on the box, "50% Deeper Penetration". That might not be a good thing. How much did the old load penetrate? It seems like they are trying to reinvent the wheel with a lot of this ammo lately.

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