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#4672060 - 02/20/18 03:24 PM VW 508 Spec-0w20
BTLew81 Offline


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Picked up a new 2018 VW Tiguan with the Miller cycle 2.0T. Realized after looking at the manual that it specs VW508 oil, which is a 0w20. While Iíd prefer to use Castrol 0w40, Iím concerned about warranty. It says you can top off with vw 502, but nothing about subbing a full fill. Iíve read you can sub in a 504/507 oil, which Iíd be comfortable with.

Castrol 0w20 FE is the vw fill, with motul also having an approved oil. Does anyone have a good vw parts site? Iím looking to use an approved oil and the Castrol isnít available anywhere but the dealer from my research.

Hopefully there are more mainstream approved oils soon. It doesnít look like any crazy spec, so hoping Amsoil or another steps up to the plate.

Thanks for any advice and support you can offer.
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#4672066 - 02/20/18 03:31 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
edyvw Offline


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Posts: 5063
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
Picked up a new 2018 VW Tiguan with the Miller cycle 2.0T. Realized after looking at the manual that it specs VW508 oil, which is a 0w20. While Iíd prefer to use Castrol 0w40, Iím concerned about warranty. It says you can top off with vw 502, but nothing about subbing a full fill. Iíve read you can sub in a 504/507 oil, which Iíd be comfortable with.

Castrol 0w20 FE is the vw fill, with motul also having an approved oil. Does anyone have a good vw parts site? Iím looking to use an approved oil and the Castrol isnít available anywhere but the dealer from my research.

Hopefully there are more mainstream approved oils soon. It doesnít look like any crazy spec, so hoping Amsoil or another steps up to the plate.

Thanks for any advice and support you can offer.

Put Castroll 0W40. As usual VW made mistake in manual.
They already announced they are replacing manuals in Atlas.
I would not be surprised that in your engine bay it says VW 502.00.
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#4672079 - 02/20/18 03:40 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
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Liqui Moly Top Tec 6200 is also VW 508/509 approved.

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#4672107 - 02/20/18 04:05 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: edyvw]
BTLew81 Offline


Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1417
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
Picked up a new 2018 VW Tiguan with the Miller cycle 2.0T. Realized after looking at the manual that it specs VW508 oil, which is a 0w20. While Iíd prefer to use Castrol 0w40, Iím concerned about warranty. It says you can top off with vw 502, but nothing about subbing a full fill. Iíve read you can sub in a 504/507 oil, which Iíd be comfortable with.

Castrol 0w20 FE is the vw fill, with motul also having an approved oil. Does anyone have a good vw parts site? Iím looking to use an approved oil and the Castrol isnít available anywhere but the dealer from my research.

Hopefully there are more mainstream approved oils soon. It doesnít look like any crazy spec, so hoping Amsoil or another steps up to the plate.

Thanks for any advice and support you can offer.

Put Castroll 0W40. As usual VW made mistake in manual.
They already announced they are replacing manuals in Atlas.
I would not be surprised that in your engine bay it says VW 502.00.


Under hood says 508. Done a lot of reading. Spec is definitely 508.
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#4672110 - 02/20/18 04:06 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
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Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
Picked up a new 2018 VW Tiguan with the Miller cycle 2.0T. Realized after looking at the manual that it specs VW508 oil, which is a 0w20. While Iíd prefer to use Castrol 0w40, Iím concerned about warranty. It says you can top off with vw 502, but nothing about subbing a full fill. Iíve read you can sub in a 504/507 oil, which Iíd be comfortable with.

Castrol 0w20 FE is the vw fill, with motul also having an approved oil. Does anyone have a good vw parts site? Iím looking to use an approved oil and the Castrol isnít available anywhere but the dealer from my research.

Hopefully there are more mainstream approved oils soon. It doesnít look like any crazy spec, so hoping Amsoil or another steps up to the plate.

Thanks for any advice and support you can offer.

Put Castroll 0W40. As usual VW made mistake in manual.
They already announced they are replacing manuals in Atlas.
I would not be surprised that in your engine bay it says VW 502.00.


Under hood says 508. Done a lot of reading. Spec is definitely 508.

OK, then go with VW 508.00
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#4672119 - 02/20/18 04:11 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
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You know my feelings on this.

I'd continue to run a 502/A40 oil. Your dealer won't know the difference. The EA888 hasn't changed that much.

When I worked at VW there was only one warranty denial to my knowledge, and it was a money shift. Poor car saw over 17k rpm.
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#4672134 - 02/20/18 04:17 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
BTLew81 Offline


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According to some reading, there is a dye in the oil. Audi guys are saying this.
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#4672140 - 02/20/18 04:21 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
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#4672147 - 02/20/18 04:24 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: rooflessVW]
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Registered: 03/08/12
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
You know my feelings on this.

I'd continue to run a 502/A40 oil. Your dealer won't know the difference. The EA888 hasn't changed that much.

When I worked at VW there was only one warranty denial to my knowledge, and it was a money shift. Poor car saw over 17k rpm.

Castrol 0W40 is way to go. VW508.00 is just to get better fleet mpg.
They are doing same with Atlas. That VR6 in Atlas is so inefficient that probably has VW508.00in it, but they recommend consumers to use VW502.00. Once car is due to oil change, they use VW502.00. So far I read that people are "wondering" about "sluggishness" of engine after moving to 0W40 and drop in already abysmal mpg.

Not that VW would do anything like that smile


Edited by edyvw (02/20/18 04:25 PM)
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#4672161 - 02/20/18 04:34 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
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https://www.fuchs.com/fileadmin/schmiers..._00_02-2017.pdf


FUCHS

Mannheim, February 2017
Introduction of the new TITAN GT1 LONGLIFE IV SAE 0W-20 engine oil for the new
VW specifications VW 508 00 / 509 00
General information
Specifications 508 00 and 509 00 concern the so-called ďVW Blue OilĒ for the latest
generations of engines from VW. The specifications demand an oil in viscosity class SAE
0W-20 with a reduced HTHS viscosity of at least 2.6 mPa.s.
This allows fuel savings of
at least 4% to be achieved. The first of these engines have been available on the market
since the end of 2015. Specifications VW 508 00 and 509 00 are not backwards
compatible with previous VW specifications. In contrast, specification VW 504 00 can be
used wherever older VW specifications for petrol engines are required, for example. For
diesel engines, specification VW 507 00 can also be used for the corresponding older
diesel specifications. R5 and V10 TDI engines up to model year 2006 are the exception.
These engines must be filled with an engine oil according to VW 506 01 (TITAN
Supersyn LONGLIFE PLUS SAE 0W-30). For VW engines that require VW 508 00 / 509
00, engine oils with specification VW 504 00 / 507 00 can currently be used as an option.
TITAN GT1 LONGLIFE IV SAE 0W-20

The new TITAN GT1 LONGLIFE IV SAE 0W-20 was approved by VW in accordance with
VW 508 00 / 509 00 and is now available to dealerships and workshops.
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#4672192 - 02/20/18 04:55 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
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Registered: 03/02/13
Posts: 4521
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Edited by skyactiv (02/20/18 04:56 PM)
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#4672200 - 02/20/18 05:04 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: wemay]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 5063
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: wemay
https://www.fuchs.com/fileadmin/schmiers..._00_02-2017.pdf


FUCHS

Mannheim, February 2017
Introduction of the new TITAN GT1 LONGLIFE IV SAE 0W-20 engine oil for the new
VW specifications VW 508 00 / 509 00
General information
Specifications 508 00 and 509 00 concern the so-called ďVW Blue OilĒ for the latest
generations of engines from VW. The specifications demand an oil in viscosity class SAE
0W-20 with a reduced HTHS viscosity of at least 2.6 mPa.s.
This allows fuel savings of
at least 4% to be achieved. The first of these engines have been available on the market
since the end of 2015. Specifications VW 508 00 and 509 00 are not backwards
compatible with previous VW specifications. In contrast, specification VW 504 00 can be
used wherever older VW specifications for petrol engines are required, for example. For
diesel engines, specification VW 507 00 can also be used for the corresponding older
diesel specifications. R5 and V10 TDI engines up to model year 2006 are the exception.
These engines must be filled with an engine oil according to VW 506 01 (TITAN
Supersyn LONGLIFE PLUS SAE 0W-30). For VW engines that require VW 508 00 / 509
00, engine oils with specification VW 504 00 / 507 00 can currently be used as an option.
TITAN GT1 LONGLIFE IV SAE 0W-20

The new TITAN GT1 LONGLIFE IV SAE 0W-20 was approved by VW in accordance with
VW 508 00 / 509 00 and is now available to dealerships and workshops.

What this is saying is:
We need better fleet mpg, as well as facts (so we do not have to lie again) that our cars consuming less fuel.
But, VW504.00/507.00 is still OK. Meaning, we designed those engines some times ago around heavier oils, and if you really insist you can use HTHS 3.5 or higher (actually maybe you should).
But what is really catchy is: latest engines. LOL, since when EA888 is latest engine?
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#4672289 - 02/20/18 06:14 PM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
BTLew81 Offline


Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1417
Loc: Illinois
I donít disagree that a 504 would be just fine...or so I think. However this is a new version of the 2.0t. With vw now having a much longer warranty, Iíd guess this has been tested with a 0w20, as vw canít have a rash of claims. Note this engine is also used in Audi vehicles. The oil itself is used in the s4 from what I heard.
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#4672620 - 02/21/18 12:17 AM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 5063
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
I donít disagree that a 504 would be just fine...or so I think. However this is a new version of the 2.0t. With vw now having a much longer warranty, Iíd guess this has been tested with a 0w20, as vw canít have a rash of claims. Note this engine is also used in Audi vehicles. The oil itself is used in the s4 from what I heard.

It is just tweaked version. It doesn't come even with valvelift like 235hp, 258lb-ft version.
VW tweaked that engine for Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4 crowd, not VW crowd. They increased warranty since they want customers. They are being aggressive going after Toyota, Honda buyers, neglecting traditional VW customers. Problem is, Toyota/Honda customers are not as forgiving as VW traditional customers who are willing to live with some VW strings attached to get good driving dynamics for that class.
Tolerances in that engine are exactly the same as in my Tiguan. Nothing changed from that stand point.
As for VW testing oil? Do not forget that VW is still paying oil debacle with 1.8T when they recommended "quality" oil (that was first attempt to get Toyota/Honda customers so they did not want to burden buyers with more complex oil requirements). I bet someone was there who said: VW tested that oil.
By the way, Mobil1 for Germany recommends M1 5W30 ESP VW504.00/507.00 oil for fixed intervals on versions with 137kw and 167kw. For long drain intervals it is recommended 0W20. That means engineering wise, HTHS of 3.5 or higher is perfectly fine.
Last tme VW did this short/long drain interval mambo-jumbo they had debacle with unit-injector camshafts on markets with long drain intervals.
By the way, here is lubrizol tool and compare VW508.00/509.00 with some other specifications.
Lubrizol specification chart


Edited by edyvw (02/21/18 12:30 AM)
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#4672751 - 02/21/18 07:29 AM Re: VW 508 Spec-0w20 [Re: BTLew81]
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Registered: 03/13/13
Posts: 750
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I'd continue to run a 502/A40 oil. Your dealer won't know the difference.

Originally Posted By: BTLew81
According to some reading, there is a dye in the oil. Audi guys are saying this.

The dealer will see a difference if they look. And this isn't the only mis-application tracer that is in the oil.

Putting the 508 00 oil in an older engine is probably more of a concern, but if you're in warranty and want to preserve it the 508 00 oil is what is required and they can tell the difference.
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