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#4671641 - 02/20/18 08:15 AM New Miata
john_pifer Offline


Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 1971
Loc: Nashville, TN via Memphis
Man. What a good-looking car. Saw one on the freeway a few days ago as I approached from about a quarter-mile back and thought at first it was a Porsche. Then as I got closer I thought it was a new BMW. Had to get pretty close to finally see that it was a Mazda.

Mazda's such an innovative company. Coming up with a lot of new engine tech as well. Can't wait to see how the new gasoline compression ignition engine does.

On a related note, I pass a Dodge dealership (Bob Frensley) on one of my running routes. They have one of the new Alfa convertibles that looks like an older Miata close sitting out front. What strikes me about the Alfa is that the styling seems extremely dated compared with that new Miata. 28 grand sticker price and it's also only a 1.4L engine. Granted, it's turbo, but I'm sure it's not that powerful. And being Italian, I'd never expect Japanese-like reliability, either.

Anyway, just my musings this morning.
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#4671656 - 02/20/18 08:35 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
Bottom_Feeder Offline


Registered: 12/07/08
Posts: 3013
Loc: Occupied Virginia
Well, that new Alfa is a new Miata under the skin which would explain the similarities.

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#4671664 - 02/20/18 08:39 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 06/25/15
Posts: 3970
Loc: New England
Looks like the Fiat has considerably more torque than the US Miata.
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#4671666 - 02/20/18 08:41 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 05/17/09
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My Fiat engines in the 70's and Yugo in the 80s were stone reliable. Run 'em like a weed whackers and they kept on buzzing.

Today? All a matter of luck. Too many critical components in a car now, even for 6 sigma.

The current Lil fiat 500 is a clown car wished they sold a box on box "golf/Rabbit" type model here.

I think a turbo is out of place in the Fiat 124 / miata clone. Will say its a looker though.

The sports car ABSOLUTE bargain is the 370Z sport, its got a REAL SLA suspension and chassis.

Aspirational approachable dream is the Alfa 4C - I read - never driven one though.

Alfa - miata? Never read about that .... The ALFA 4c has NOTHING to do with a Miata. Its a race car through and through.


Edited by ARCOgraphite (02/20/18 08:46 AM)
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#4671675 - 02/20/18 08:50 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 03/04/17
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I had a glance at the 17 MX5 RF at the Mazda dealership. A really sharp car in the Soul Red Crystal. It just so happened someone came in and bought it. It was a quick sale for them. The new owner looked about 65ish so perhaps it was his dream car.
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#4671701 - 02/20/18 09:16 AM Re: New Miata [Re: ARCOgraphite]
wemay Offline


Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 8896
Loc: Southeast Florida
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
My Fiat engines in the 70's and Yugo in the 80s were stone reliable. Run 'em like a weed whackers and they kept on buzzing.

Today? All a matter of luck. Too many critical components in a car now, even for 6 sigma.

The current Lil fiat 500 is a clown car wished they sold a box on box "golf/Rabbit" type model here.

I think a turbo is out of place in the Fiat 124 / miata clone. Will say its a looker though.

The sports car ABSOLUTE bargain is the 370Z sport, its got a REAL SLA suspension and chassis.

Aspirational approachable dream is the Alfa 4C - I read - never driven one though.

Alfa - miata? Never read about that .... The ALFA 4c has NOTHING to do with a Miata. Its a race car through and through.



I have a feeling (correct me if i'm wrong), as Virtus_Probi points out, that the OP may talking about the FIAT Spider and not the Alfa 4c...


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#4671709 - 02/20/18 09:28 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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Originally Posted By: john_pifer
On a related note, I pass a Dodge dealership (Bob Frensley) on one of my running routes. They have one of the new Alfa convertibles that looks like an older Miata close sitting out front.
Seeing as Bob Frensley is a Dodge/Fiat dealer, then what you saw was probably Fiat 124 and not Alfa.


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What strikes me about the Alfa is that the styling seems extremely dated compared with that new Miata. 28 grand sticker price and it's also only a 1.4L engine.

Alfa 4C has a 1.75L engine and does 0-60 in 4.1 sec (on paper), so it's not that slow, IMO. smile

Oh, and the sticker on 4C Spider is $66K. smile

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#4671710 - 02/20/18 09:30 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
Alfred_B Offline


Registered: 05/12/15
Posts: 1968
Loc: America
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
Man. What a good-looking car. Saw one on the freeway a few days ago as I approached from about a quarter-mile back and thought at first it was a Porsche. Then as I got closer I thought it was a new BMW. Had to get pretty close to finally see that it was a Mazda.

Mazda's such an innovative company. Coming up with a lot of new engine tech as well. Can't wait to see how the new gasoline compression ignition engine does.

On a related note, I pass a Dodge dealership (Bob Frensley) on one of my running routes. They have one of the new Alfa convertibles that looks like an older Miata close sitting out front. What strikes me about the Alfa is that the styling seems extremely dated compared with that new Miata. 28 grand sticker price and it's also only a 1.4L engine. Granted, it's turbo, but I'm sure it's not that powerful. And being Italian, I'd never expect Japanese-like reliability, either.

Anyway, just my musings this morning.


LOL

It's a rebadged Mitata

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#4671724 - 02/20/18 09:44 AM Re: New Miata [Re: Alfred_B]
pandus13 Offline


Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 3201
Loc: Chicago,IL,USA
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
Man. What a good-looking car. Saw one on the freeway a few days ago as I approached from about a quarter-mile back and thought at first it was a Porsche. Then as I got closer I thought it was a new BMW. Had to get pretty close to finally see that it was a Mazda.

Mazda's such an innovative company. Coming up with a lot of new engine tech as well. Can't wait to see how the new gasoline compression ignition engine does.

On a related note, I pass a Dodge dealership (Bob Frensley) on one of my running routes. They have one of the new Alfa convertibles that looks like an older Miata close sitting out front. What strikes me about the Alfa is that the styling seems extremely dated compared with that new Miata. 28 grand sticker price and it's also only a 1.4L engine. Granted, it's turbo, but I'm sure it's not that powerful. And being Italian, I'd never expect Japanese-like reliability, either.

Anyway, just my musings this morning.


LOL

It's a rebadged Mitata

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#4671732 - 02/20/18 09:51 AM Re: New Miata [Re: wemay]
Virtus_Probi Offline


Registered: 06/25/15
Posts: 3970
Loc: New England
Originally Posted By: wemay

I have a feeling (correct me if i'm wrong), as Virtus_Probi points out, that the OP may talking about the FIAT Spider and not the Alfa 4c...


I was totally discombobulated here, I read Alfa and thought Fiat.
Apologies to the OPer if he meant Alfa!
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#4671747 - 02/20/18 10:07 AM Re: New Miata [Re: Virtus_Probi]
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Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4329
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: wemay

I have a feeling (correct me if i'm wrong), as Virtus_Probi points out, that the OP may talking about the FIAT Spider and not the Alfa 4c...


I was totally discombobulated here, I read Alfa and thought Fiat.
Apologies to the OPer if he meant Alfa!




But,,,,, it is Fiat. They own AR.
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#4671757 - 02/20/18 10:18 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
Dorian Offline


Registered: 12/07/15
Posts: 303
Loc: Ohio
I drove the FIAT 124 at a local car show last year. The car was quite fun to drive, but was still very comfortable for a little two seater. The engine does sound good in the Abarth form, though has little top end. The Mazda and Fiat are both great looking cars.
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#4671784 - 02/20/18 11:02 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 05/19/17
Posts: 109
Loc: VA
I bought a Fiat 124 Abarth last year. Love the car. Its a mix of both Fiat/Mazda combined. Still own my first Miata that I bought in 1992.
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#4671810 - 02/20/18 11:28 AM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
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Registered: 08/22/04
Posts: 1423
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
+1 on the new Miata! They look sharp, priced right, and look like a hoot to drive. I saw a detailed road test on Motorweek on it. They had nothing but nice things to say about it.
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#4672028 - 02/20/18 02:50 PM Re: New Miata [Re: john_pifer]
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The new chassis is easily one of the most fun cars around, hence why my signature looks the way it does.
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