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#4671213 - 02/19/18 06:11 PM PennGrade oil
Thunderbolt Offline


Registered: 02/19/18
Posts: 16
Loc: Media, PA
Hi, everyone. This is my first post since joining BITOG.

I have a 2013 Ford F-150 with the 5.0 Coyote engine. I purchased it as a Certified Pre-owned with 28,000 miles on it a year ago. I now have almost 49,000 miles on it. I've been using the Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5W-20 at each of my 5k oil changes along with the Motorcraft oil filter.

I was at a muscle car shop over the weekend where my dad's 340 Demon is being restored. I've heard of the Brad Penn oils in the past (The Green Oil) and have always been intrigued, but never followed through with trying it out. The owner of the shop uses PennGrade (formerly Brad Penn) oils in all his restorations and his personal daily driver which is a modern SUV. I asked him about using the PennGrade in my F-150 and he said it would work fine with no issues. He showed me their 5W-20 Synthetic Blend, which meets Ford's spec.

Any thoughts or input on this oil? If it'd be a good substitute and an acceptable choice, I'd like to give it a try. I'm due for another oil change in 1500 miles. Give the PennGrade a try or stick with the Motorcraft?

Thanks for the input and allowing me to join the BITOG community! I hope to learn a lot here!
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#4671222 - 02/19/18 06:22 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
irv Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
Posts: 1059
Loc: Oshawa, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted By: Thunderbolt
Hi, everyone. This is my first post since joining BITOG.

I have a 2013 Ford F-150 with the 5.0 Coyote engine. I purchased it as a Certified Pre-owned with 28,000 miles on it a year ago. I now have almost 49,000 miles on it. I've been using the Motorcraft Synthetic Blend 5W-20 at each of my 5k oil changes along with the Motorcraft oil filter.

I was at a muscle car shop over the weekend where my dad's 340 Demon is being restored. I've heard of the Brad Penn oils in the past (The Green Oil) and have always been intrigued, but never followed through with trying it out. The owner of the shop uses PennGrade (formerly Brad Penn) oils in all his restorations and his personal daily driver which is a modern SUV. I asked him about using the PennGrade in my F-150 and he said it would work fine with no issues. He showed me their 5W-20 Synthetic Blend, which meets Ford's spec.

Any thoughts or input on this oil? If it'd be a good substitute and an acceptable choice, I'd like to give it a try. I'm due for another oil change in 1500 miles. Give the PennGrade a try or stick with the Motorcraft?

Thanks for the input and allowing me to join the BITOG community! I hope to learn a lot here!


I am sure it is good oil but I would hazard a guess it is likely spendy? Likely, imo, there are other, maybe even better oils out there that would be more suitable for your engine at a much cheaper cost, but I'll let others with more knowledge answer that.
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#4671245 - 02/19/18 06:40 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
Thunderbolt Offline


Registered: 02/19/18
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Loc: Media, PA
Muscle car shop gave me a price of around $41 for a case (12 quarts). Almost on par with what I'd pay for a case of Motorcraft. Pretty nice pricing!!
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#4671260 - 02/19/18 06:46 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
irv Offline


Registered: 10/08/06
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Loc: Oshawa, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted By: Thunderbolt
Muscle car shop gave me a price of around $41 for a case (12 quarts). Almost on par with what I'd pay for a case of Motorcraft. Pretty nice pricing!!


That is a very good price, imo, but I am up here in Canada. If it specs out like you say it did, I'd probably use it too at that price.

Sorry, I can't offer anything else, but maybe do a Google search and see what you can find out about it?

Good luck, and welcome to the site, btw. cheers

Edit: This is from 2009 so no idea how much, if any, it has changed since then? https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1555267


Edited by irv (02/19/18 06:50 PM)
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#4671269 - 02/19/18 06:52 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
69Torino Offline


Registered: 12/12/17
Posts: 238
Loc: Indy
I know some people with high horsepower stuff that like Brad Penn. Their junk hasn't blown up. Never used it personally but at that price I would. My local speed shop wants almost twice that for it.
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#4671287 - 02/19/18 07:03 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: 69Torino]
Thunderbolt Offline


Registered: 02/19/18
Posts: 16
Loc: Media, PA
Originally Posted By: 69Torino
I know some people with high horsepower stuff that like Brad Penn. Their junk hasn't blown up. Never used it personally but at that price I would. My local speed shop wants almost twice that for it.


Maybe what your speed shop has is the PennGrade-1? It took me a few minutes to know the differences in the labels and what was inside the bottles. The PennGrade-1 is the original Kendall GT racing oil, from what I'm told, and is pricey. They now have a PennGrade, which is the synthetic blend I'm considering, and a PennGrade Select, which is the full synthetic.
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#4671291 - 02/19/18 07:04 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
69Torino Offline


Registered: 12/12/17
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Loc: Indy
That could very well be it. Explains it.
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#4671328 - 02/19/18 07:40 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
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Registered: 12/11/17
Posts: 86
Loc: Maryland
Ran it in my old turbo car with no problems. It has a little more zinc then normal oils thats why its popular for flat tappet cam use
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#4671352 - 02/19/18 08:00 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: malibuguy79]
Thunderbolt Offline


Registered: 02/19/18
Posts: 16
Loc: Media, PA
Originally Posted By: malibuguy79
Ran it in my old turbo car with no problems. It has a little more zinc then normal oils thats why its popular for flat tappet cam use


Will that added zinc have any effect on the catalytic converters?
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#4671372 - 02/19/18 08:22 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 6921
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Thunderbolt
Originally Posted By: malibuguy79
Ran it in my old turbo car with no problems. It has a little more zinc then normal oils thats why its popular for flat tappet cam use


Will that added zinc have any effect on the catalytic converters?


If you are going to run the 5w20 synthetic blend that meets the Ford spec, it may not have zddp in excess of SN limits. For a 2013 Ford Coyote engine, I see no reason to run an oil with higher zddp. That engine has roller cam followers.
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#4671388 - 02/19/18 08:48 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
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Using one brand of meeting spec oil is not going to make lick of difference either way.
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#4671469 - 02/19/18 11:47 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
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Registered: 12/31/16
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Loc: Waco, TX
I have always heard Brad Penn has little to no detergents, no dispersants, and very little TBN.

It does have EP and AW additives for racing.

It's designed to last for a race............ but not months of time and 1000's of miles like a normal vehicle is used. Meaning, you would have to change it a lot.
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#4671555 - 02/20/18 05:33 AM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
Thunderbolt Offline


Registered: 02/19/18
Posts: 16
Loc: Media, PA
Here is their info/data sheet for the synthetic blend oils PennGrade Synthetic Blend oil specs
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#4671777 - 02/20/18 10:37 AM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Thunderbolt]
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Registered: 09/06/15
Posts: 5514
Loc: Kalifornia Kollective
The blend oils are not their high ZDDP oils. These are just good SN oils made with decent base stocks and industry standard add paks. If you can get it for a good price, it's fine in a daily driver smile
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#4672492 - 02/20/18 09:09 PM Re: PennGrade oil [Re: Linctex]
A_Harman Offline


Registered: 10/01/10
Posts: 6921
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Linctex
I have always heard Brad Penn has little to no detergents, no dispersants, and very little TBN.

It does have EP and AW additives for racing.

It's designed to last for a race............ but not months of time and 1000's of miles like a normal vehicle is used. Meaning, you would have to change it a lot.


It's the Penngrade 1 oils that are the same as the old Brad Penn high-zddp oils.
Brad Penn was bought a couple of years ago by D-A Lubricants of Indiana.
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