Recent Topics
BMW LL-17 FE+
by supercity
04/20/18 04:24 AM
Changing fluids on truck that sits for long time!
by Chris B.
04/20/18 03:54 AM
2012 Honda Accord transmission clunk in Reverse?
by Chris B.
04/20/18 03:36 AM
Another one of those how your brain works tests
by Shannow
04/20/18 03:25 AM
How do you get under there?!?
by Isophix
04/20/18 12:51 AM
Just my opinion nothing more
by Marco620
04/20/18 12:26 AM
Bought our first new couch...
by gregk24
04/19/18 10:55 PM
Vibration. CV axle or wheels?
by Kurtatron
04/19/18 10:15 PM
Bad Wheel bearing? 2012 Mazda5
by Oscar_Ruitt
04/19/18 09:49 PM
7 seater vehicle suggestions - No Van
by maverickfhs
04/19/18 08:56 PM
KTM 1190 Adventure Oil?
by JasonK94Z
04/19/18 08:50 PM
Chrysler 5.7 and 6.4 intake manifolds
by JLTD
04/19/18 08:37 PM
Current Router Attack and Router Choice
by Y_K
04/19/18 07:41 PM
Pugging in RPM sensor Lift Master
by Gebo
04/19/18 07:21 PM
Rockauto newsletter today
by CourierDriver
04/19/18 07:15 PM
Front end bug protection?
by AZjeff
04/19/18 07:03 PM
Internet speed super slow on Linux laptop...
by daves66nova
04/19/18 06:39 PM
12 or 20oz of Techron Complete Fuel System.
by diphon
04/19/18 05:58 PM
Any night owls listen to 740 AM in Toronto?
by 340_Magnum
04/19/18 05:38 PM
Canadian tire - Quaker state conventional on sale
by JC1
04/19/18 05:32 PM
Newest Members
SirEatsALot, Alko, Projecto, Kole, toyobaru
64791 Registered Users
Who's Online
41 registered (69Torino, alarmguy, Alexey88rus, billt460, andyd, Astro_Guy, 5 invisible), 751 Guests and 98 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
64791 Members
68 Forums
281988 Topics
4707739 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#4671194 - 02/19/18 05:47 PM Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads
pda1122 Offline


Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 214
Loc: Maine, USA
I understand using silicone base lubricant for slide pins but there seems to be some debate between using copper anti seize or brake grease on the pad ears and possibly backing. Iíve searched the forum and it seems the last discussion of this was 5 or so years ago. Iíve seen YouTube videos where Chrisfix and ericthecarguy are using copper anti seize. I trust their opinion but I always thought you want to use grease like permatex green or purple. Wondering if the general consensus has changed. Also Iím wondering if it would be wise to use anti seize on the wheel hub to rotor contact point. Long story short, do I need to find some copper anti seize, I have aluminum already.
_________________________
'13 Toyota Tundra 5.7-Mobil 1 AFE 0w-20, OEM filter
'08 Hyundai Elantra- Mobil 1 AFE 0w-20, OEM filter
'96RangerR72 90hpJohnson
'03Ski Doo REV600H.O.

Top
#4671202 - 02/19/18 05:55 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29371
Loc: NY
I spray the back of the pads with the Permatex 80077, and use their green grease for the pad ears. Sil Glyde goes on the pins. No problems to report.
_________________________
God Bless Our Troops


Top
#4671206 - 02/19/18 05:59 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 32371
Loc: ME
I use a smidge of permatex grey goo. Might not be perfect-right but it's what I have on hand.

More importantly I grind new ears that are too big so they fit the abutment clips without forcing them in.

Top
#4671217 - 02/19/18 06:16 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: eljefino]
krismoriah72 Offline


Registered: 02/16/09
Posts: 1460
Loc: wv
Sil Glyde-
ē Back side plate of disc brake pads
ē Anti-squeal shims
ē Caliper slides, bushings, boots, and seals

I have also used antiseize.

I file all ears that dont slide smoothly and snugly.. Usually there is excess paint or burs on the cheaper pads.

To be honest the lubes dont make it the life of the pad..with people washing their car and driving thru rain most if not all washes off eventually. If you were in the desert i would say it would last alot longer.

I wouldnt put anything near the hubs, nor overdo any of the lubes...due to slinging on the rotor and bedding in the pads.

Top
#4671226 - 02/19/18 06:26 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 6158
Loc: MI
Nothing ever seems text book regarding brake lubes. There have been numerous threads about some vehicle brand brake rubber swelling if one is not exceedingly particular about using a specific product on pins/bushings. Not gonna go there now.

It seems that it is preached to keep petroleum solvent lubes away from brakes entirely. Obviously it can affect the internal caliper seals and other internal rubber components if it makes its way into the fluid exposed areas. But what about the exterior?

3M has a copper anti-seize labeled for brake use. It purports to be water washout resistant and for metal to metal contact areas. Is it better than any other type of anti seize for this application? I don't know. It DOES contain petroleum solvents AND I have seen shops use it not only on exterior exposed parts, but also on the rubber bushed pins. This goes against the preaching to keep petroleum solvents away from brakes.

https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1080858O/3mbrake-jobs-made-better-bulletin.pdf They show silicone for the pins/bushings and the copper for exposed metal to metal areas.

I prefer to use a silicone type brake lube for the pins and a high solids non petroleum product for the water exposed metal to metal areas. Two examples are: Honda(Dow) m77
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Honda-08734-0...13=&veh=sem

or

Pastelub https://goodson.com/products/bpl-2400-pastelub-brake-lubricant This is a Swiss made product that is impervious to water wash off and I LOVE it. Inexpensive, tenacious, and stops rust excellent. I use it on brake metal to metal areas(pad ears/back) , rotor hats, and hubs. I "think" my high solids pastes are more water washout proof, have less oils to migrate on to unwanted areas, AND leave some boundary lube (marbles) when the oil eventually dissipates.

Yes, use something on the hubs, pad ears, etc. to prevent rust. Just a paper thin layer. Good luck making your decision.

Top
#4671231 - 02/19/18 06:34 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
Audios Offline


Registered: 11/19/11
Posts: 804
Loc: Lyndhurst NJ
Throughout the years, peoples opinions varied. At some dealers it was all silver anti seize, some used the pink brake paste, and the BG additive that you let soak into the pads. BMW said nothing on the pads at all, only the slide pins. Its all what works best for you. Ive been going with lubing slide pins, under ears, and in the channel for the ears on the caliper bracket
_________________________
2002 VW Golf TDI-Mobil 1 5/40 TDT
2005 BMW M3 BMW Twin Power 10/60
1997 John Deere Gator 4x2
2007 Mercedes GL320 CDI Fuchs 5/40 GT Pro XTL

Top
#4671236 - 02/19/18 06:36 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
maxdustington Offline


Registered: 01/21/17
Posts: 226
Loc: Toronna
Originally Posted By: pda1122
I understand using silicone base lubricant for slide pins but there seems to be some debate between using copper anti seize or brake grease on the pad ears and possibly backing. Iíve searched the forum and it seems the last discussion of this was 5 or so years ago. Iíve seen YouTube videos where Chrisfix and ericthecarguy are using copper anti seize. I trust their opinion but I always thought you want to use grease like permatex green or purple. Wondering if the general consensus has changed. Also Iím wondering if it would be wise to use anti seize on the wheel hub to rotor contact point. Long story short, do I need to find some copper anti seize, I have aluminum already.


My neighbor had a brand new hyundai sante fe, you could see the copper anti seize on the pad ears. That ended the debate for me. If there is copper anti sieze on the pad ears on a car from the factory, I would assume that it is ok to use it on the back of the pads, too. Silicone washes off quickly, anti seize sticks like glue.

Also, I'm pretty sure sil glide (I got sil-eze from napa here in canada) is only like 5% silicone. When I kill my tube, I am going to get the 3M silicone paste.
_________________________
03 Jetta AWP/09A 200k kms

Top
#4671266 - 02/19/18 06:51 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
CapitalTruck Offline


Registered: 01/13/13
Posts: 491
Loc: Washington, DC
GM brush-on silicone brake lube for pins and ears. Nothing on rear of oem shimmed brake pads. Only OEM pads used. (I once got Carquest Blue pads and the things stopped NOTICEABLY worse. That was the end of the non-OEM pad experiment).
_________________________
2013 Silverado 4.8L VVT 4x4 97k mi - ACDelco Dexos Full Synthetic 5w30 (ExxonMobil variant), ACDelco PF48E

Top
#4671292 - 02/19/18 07:08 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
doitmyself Offline


Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 6158
Loc: MI
Here is a picture of a Pastelub protected hub with 5 years of salt bath exposure and a similar aged hub with no protection:


Top
#4671293 - 02/19/18 07:10 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
BigD1 Offline


Registered: 08/12/15
Posts: 2573
Loc: NC
M77 is good stuff for the metal parts that's for sure. The high moly content actually burnishes the metal surfaces.

On non-shimmed pads, CRC Disc Brake Quiet is a winner in my book. Some times it's the shims that causes the noise. That's when I throw the shims in the trash, and use the CRC.

http://www.crcindustries.com/products/disc-brake-quiet-4-fl-oz-05016.html
_________________________
1992 Toyota Pickup--Havoline HM 10W-30--Motorcraft FL-910S

Top
#4671295 - 02/19/18 07:11 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 19615
Loc: CA
Toyota soap-based grease on the slide pins and M77 or AS880N for the shim kits and pad ears.
_________________________
2011 Toyota Prius - 166k - ACDelco 0W-20
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 126K - Idemitsu 5W-20

Top
#4671299 - 02/19/18 07:16 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
Ducked Offline


Registered: 10/25/12
Posts: 4036
Loc: Taiwan
Hee hee. You said "consensus" You can't get any of this stuff here, so I would bet Taiwanese mechanics use general purpose lithium petroleum base grease on everything, not unknown with British mechanics.

It's a good life rule to do whatever Taiwanese mechanics don't, so I use silicon grease (bought in Japan) on the slide pins with a wrap of PTFE tape. The latter is perhaps not good if the brakes ever get very hot and I probably wouldnt do it again
I use a trace of Aluslip on the pad ears
I can't think of any reason copper would be better but I can think of a reason it would be worse, so i wouldnt buy it if I could. I think grease on the hub would probably be ok but it could theoretically get slung off with heat and centrifugal forces
I use a thin sheet of polythene
In the past I've used aluminium foil.

Top
#4671456 - 02/19/18 10:57 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
RamFan Offline


Registered: 05/09/10
Posts: 1957
Loc: Illinois, U.S.A



This is what I used on my last brake job. Seemed to work well on the pins and pads.
_________________________
06 Monte Carlo LT
+3.9l V6 - 185k - Defy/Motorcraft 10w30 - EcoGard Synthetic - OLM
16.5 CX-5 Touring
+2.5l I4 - 42k - SynPower 0w20 - PureOne - 8.5k/1yr

Top
#4671481 - 02/19/18 11:58 PM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: Audios]
AVB Offline


Registered: 05/20/12
Posts: 1137
Loc: Georgia
Originally Posted By: Audios
Throughout the years, peoples opinions varied. At some dealers it was all silver anti seize, some used the pink brake paste, and the BG additive that you let soak into the pads. BMW said nothing on the pads at all, only the slide pins. Its all what works best for you. Ive been going with lubing slide pins, under ears, and in the channel for the ears on the caliper bracket

The last brake class I attended with Chrysler recommended not using any lube. On the other hand We have a Mopar branded lube in a tube similar to the pic above, it looks and feels like gray anti seize.

Top
#4671534 - 02/20/18 03:55 AM Re: Anti seize or brake grease on brake pads [Re: pda1122]
FowVay Offline


Registered: 06/02/02
Posts: 2649
Loc: Southeastern USA
per the Nissan maintenance manual, I use Molykote 7439 (copper based anti-seize) on the pads where they slide in the pad retainer shim and I use Sil-Glyde on the pins and other areas that float. This is all per the repair manual.
_________________________
Quaker State across the board.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >