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Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body #4670394
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According to this guy, moving the TB plate by hand can strip gears in the step motors:



Yet I've seen many tutorials where a toothbrush with cleaner is pushed through and it seems the standard procedure.

What is your take on this?

Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670402
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What type of vehicle do you have?

On some vehicles you will need to perform a relearn after cleaning. Otherwise your idle speed will not be correct. Honda’s and Nissan come to mind.

On some throttle bodies if you use a toothbrush, you will remove too much from the throttle body and the throttle plate will not sit correctly after cleaning, and you won’t be able to perform the idle relearn. On some cars (Nissan) I have had to put moly paste on the throttle body plate area to get the throttle plate to sit correctly before a relearn could be performed.

I have never seen gears get damaged on Asian makes while cleaning the throttle body.


2011 Toyota Prius 1.8L - 185K - SuperTech Dexos Full Syn 0W-20
2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 135K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: The Critic] #4670406
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
What type of vehicle do you have?

On some vehicles you will need to perform a relearn after cleaning. Otherwise your idle speed will not be correct. Honda’s and Nissan come to mind.

On some throttle bodies if you use a toothbrush, you will remove too much from the throttle body and the throttle plate will not sit correctly after cleaning, and you won’t be able to perform the idle relearn. On some cars (Nissan) I have had to put moly paste on the throttle body plate area to get the throttle plate to sit correctly before a relearn could be performed.

I have never seen gears get damaged on Asian makes while cleaning the throttle body.


Engine is a Toyota 1GR-FE 4.0l V6.
It's idling normal at around 650rpm post-cleanup.

Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670519
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I remove them from the engine and clean them with the electrics facing upward and only crack open the plate ever so slightly.
Do not spray too much cleaner at once and avoid directly spraying it at the throttle shaft going into the electric side of things, the tps is in there as well as a light lube for the gears.

I have never broken gears but have seen it as well as shorted tps units and other electrics. Do the job carefully using TB cleaner and you wont have any troubles, never spray the electrical connector or use carb cleaner, some units have a easily damaged coating that if damaged the IAC may not be able to maintain the desired idle rpm even fully closed.


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Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670547
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Ive never had any issues with using something to prop the throttle plate open, screwdriver handle, small popsicle stick etc. After its installed, leave the key forward for 2-3 minutes and usually they will re adapt the throttle body.


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Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670680
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On my Camry, since I haven't actually removed the whole TB assembly or upper manifold

I just put a brick on the throttle, KOEO, and go to town cleaning

Make damm sure that brick is in the right position, and sturdy

If it slips, and the throttle body tries to close with your fingers/toothbrush/rag in there, it won't end well

I'm told some of them can cut your fingers off, and after mine tried, upgraded to a big cinder block, and keep a second person floating around for help


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Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670708
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On my LR3 I've just gently brushed around the throttle plate and gently opened just enough to get under it with a paper towel to get the line of dirt under it. Never have had an issue, I clean it annually at minimum. I don't disconnect the battery either.


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Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670829
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Originally Posted By: DrRoughneck
Originally Posted By: The Critic
What type of vehicle do you have?

On some vehicles you will need to perform a relearn after cleaning. Otherwise your idle speed will not be correct. Honda’s and Nissan come to mind.

On some throttle bodies if you use a toothbrush, you will remove too much from the throttle body and the throttle plate will not sit correctly after cleaning, and you won’t be able to perform the idle relearn. On some cars (Nissan) I have had to put moly paste on the throttle body plate area to get the throttle plate to sit correctly before a relearn could be performed.

I have never seen gears get damaged on Asian makes while cleaning the throttle body.


Engine is a Toyota 1GR-FE 4.0l V6.
It's idling normal at around 650rpm post-cleanup.


The Toyota's are almost never problematic. As long as you disconnect the neg terminal and allow the engine to idle for at least 3 min past full warm up, the system should re-learn properly.


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2007 Honda Accord 2.4 - 135K - Mobil 1 EP HM 5W-30
Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670895
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After doing it a few times, its easier and you get better results just taking it off the intake. Probably every TB is a plug, 4 bolts and a hose. Thats all it takes. wd40 has become my favorite TB cleaner. If you put it back on and the vehicle is sluggish, well you know it was dirty and there was a lot of ECU learning to compensate. A battery disconnect will take care of that.


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Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670919
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In the GMs I worked on, with the key out, the throttle plate is closed under spring pressure as a fail safe.

So a GM throttle plate can be moved by hand with no loading from the stepper motor at all.

Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: i_hate_autofraud] #4670944
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There are so many variables, for that reason I give the default fool proof answer that can be used on any with relative safety.


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Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4670979
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laugh


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Re: Cleaning "drive-by-wire" throttle body [Re: DrRoughneck] #4671521
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I've only ever cleaned one electronic throttle body and that was on a 2005 ford explorer and the only reason i did so was because after the battery was changed it wouldn't run unless you pinned the throttle and even then it would run rough and then stall out.

so after researching i found that sometimes when the system is reset to default but the throttle body is dirty etc it needs to be cleaned in order to get it back to factory like specs as well and after doing so it ran and idled just fine.


so anyways i opened and closed the throttle by hand several times while cleaning it and had no ill effects


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