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[Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi #4670312
02/18/18 10:21 PM
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So the Acura came to visit today and I noted it was lower on oil than is typical for it to burn at this point.

Got it up on ramps and took a look, good bit of oil on engine/filter/pan. Oil hanging off filter and all around base.

Cleaned it up and let it run a bit, nothing immediately apparent but filter base near gasket shiny. Elected to change the filter.

Upon removal noted that O ring feels uneven though no obvious damage.























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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4670320
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Looks very low quality and much older than 1783 miles.

Are the fibers on the "teflon" disk attached to the disk or shed from the regular filter material?


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4670325
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The center is way off and the whole top and gasket look cattywumpus. Very poor build quality it seems judging from the pics.


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4670335
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probably a serviceable filter.....

but I don't see any possibility for returns on investment.


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: PimTac] #4670337
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
The center is way off and the whole top and gasket look cattywumpus. Very poor build quality it seems judging from the pics.


It supports the claims of Norbert M Assion (one of the founders of the original filter), that microgreen have cheapened the filter and it no longer performs as originally claimed.

There is a review on Amazon from Dec 2017 with the same complaint of a leaking filter.

You can see Dr Assion's claims and the defective filter review here:

https://www.amazon.com/microGreen-MG-421-8-Oil-Filter/dp/B007USGLCQ#customerReviews


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: CharlieBauer] #4670363
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Originally Posted By: CharlieBauer
Originally Posted By: PimTac
The center is way off and the whole top and gasket look cattywumpus. Very poor build quality it seems judging from the pics.


It supports the claims of Norbert M Assion (one of the founders of the original filter), that microgreen have cheapened the filter and it no longer performs as originally claimed.

There is a review on Amazon from Dec 2017 with the same complaint of a leaking filter.

You can see Dr Assion's claims and the defective filter review here:

https://www.amazon.com/microGreen-MG-421-8-Oil-Filter/dp/B007USGLCQ#customerReviews





Looking at pic #3, I would suspect that the gasket was not sealing all the way on the mount due to the center thread being so off center. I have no experience with Microgreen filters but that one clearly failed quality control and was missed. If I had found that kind of shoddiness at the store when inspecting I wouldnít buy it in the first place. I know stuff happens sometimes but that whole top is very poorly manufactured and assembled.


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4670458
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I forgot to say, The filter media assembly seems both shorter and smaller in diameter that the TG element I used for comparison. I will try to actually measure them today. A TG 7317 went back on it.

I also donít know if this is current construction, UD said that the one he received recently were white with green writing (IIRC)

Aside from the filter element(s) and O ring the filter seemed to be well assembled. Nice Parker ADBV, heavy can, good spring, nice uniform and amply sized louvres.

I donít care for the wide pleat or the media itself. I havenít been able to get the 5 micron disk out yet.

The gasket is assembled into a stamped channel which is spot welded and presumably sealed to the tapping plate. This stamped channel seems poorly formed to me and I believe it was causing the gasket to be under uneven tension. Also there appear to be witness marks on the inner run of the stamped channel indicating contact with the sealing surface on the engine, which canít be good.

ETA Charlie, the fibers appear to be part of the teflon disk.

Last edited by DuckRyder; 02/19/18 05:31 AM.

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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4670467
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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4670539
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Is that shiny area around 11:00 where it was rubbing on the mount?


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4670618
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Baseplate thread off perpendicular to base so filter gasket contacts more on one side?

Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: goodtimes] #4670662
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Is that shiny area around 11:00 where it was rubbing on the mount?


It has witness marks to varying degrees at each point there is a clamping swell in the channel.

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Baseplate thread off perpendicular to base so filter gasket contacts more on one side?


I will try to check more closely but I think I would have noticed that during installation or removal


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4671052
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Best I can tell the threads in the tapping plate are straight.

The media in the TG is 62mm tall and 61mm across the actual media at the widest point. The MG the entire media stack is 57mm, the primary media is 50mm and the widest point is 59mm at the widest point.


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4671306
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In that last pic the center hole doesnít even look round. Is it the picture angle?


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: PimTac] #4671564
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Originally Posted By: PimTac
In that last pic the center hole doesnít even look round. Is it the picture angle?


It must be the lighting and angle, though I donít really see that in the picture. I used a socket to gauge it and the hole is as round as a socket (a good socket) smirk

I have another one of these, but do not think I will be using it. In many years of changing oil, including when I worked in a dealer I have never had a filter leak. Iím unimpressed with the media and the leak, though there are things I like about the construction, they donít outweigh the leak and media. I also find the marketing a bit snake oilish...

I thought UD was going to cut open a virgin one of newer manufacture, but have not seen it.

Anyway...


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Re: [Cut Open] Microgreen MG-101-7 1783mi [Re: DuckRyder] #4671702
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I cut it open and took a quick vid of it but didn't take the time to photo the individual pieces - it looks the same internally.

will post up later today.

UD


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