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#4669947 - 02/18/18 04:04 PM Last of bygone era
OneEyeJack Offline

Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 7479
Loc: S California
Is my 03 4Runner the last of the old-fashioned vehicles. It has body on frame construction and dipsticks for the engine and automatic transmission, a 5-speed auto instead of a CVT or a 8/9/10-speed, no touchscreen, no GDI, no variable cam timing on an old world V8 engine, and no OLM. You have to decide for yourself or read the owner's manual to determine what OCI you're going to do and manually check the tire pressures. And when you set the cruise control you have to still pay attention to the traffic and the road ahead. At least the things that it doesn't have won't fail and I'm willing to do all the stuff that's left for me to do.

IF I live long enough to need a replacement for this 4Runner will I be faced with accepting a lot of stuff I would not need and maybe not use?

#4669954 - 02/18/18 04:19 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
Reddy45 Offline

Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 2967
Loc: USA
No because the only logical choice is for you to find a early 2000s Toyota Land Cruiser after that.

#4669960 - 02/18/18 04:22 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
dparm Offline

Registered: 04/19/10
Posts: 13466
Loc: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack

IF I live long enough to need a replacement for this 4Runner will I be faced with accepting a lot of stuff I would not need and maybe not use?

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can't still benefit from it. Modern engines are getting more efficient, more reliable, and requiring less maintenance than ever before.

Technology and automation are not bad things, otherwise, we'd all still be riding horses or driving Model Ts.
2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport

#4669961 - 02/18/18 04:25 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
NYEngineer Offline

Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 1570
Loc: NY, NY
My wife's 09 Kia Sorento meets that checklist almost exactly but it does have tire pressure sensors. Less high tech than the system in my 09 Suburban. Her car only lights a tire shaped light. Mine tells you each tire's pressure on a display or which one needs attention.
Come to think of it, my truck meets that list quite well with the exception of the tps system.

OOps... I just realized her V6 does have variable cam timing, albeit a very rudimentary type of system. And my truck has that awful eight to four cylinder mode but I have that bypassed. I guess you're right.

#4669963 - 02/18/18 04:26 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
methusaleh Offline

Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 447
Loc: Vermont
I have similar thoughts and I'm glad I'm not alone. I'm still relatively young and it seems most of my peers agree. Then again most of my co-workers and friends are quite like-minded.

My daily drivers are newer than yours, yet my desires are strictly for utility. I'd rather own a vehicle that does what I need it to do (go from point A to point B) rather than functions that other things I own do already, such as playing music from digital media, looking like art forms, etc. So I do not seek vehicles with all kinds of electronic gadgetry or cosmetic stuff, as seems to be all the rage these days. To me those are more things to go wrong with a vehicle and more surfaces to clean.

My favorite commuter right now is my 2009 Taurus. For this coming spring/summer, I was thinking of investing a good chunk of change toward bringing it back up to mint condition inside and out, which really wouldn't take much and would extend the car's life. Then I sit down and really think about it and reach into my heart, and I'm much more leaning toward putting those funds toward my 85 M1009 (K5 Blazer). Why? Because I get much more enjoyment out of the Blazer, both the driving experience and the simplicity and lack of electronic doodads. It is registered, insured, and roadworthy, there's just a few maintenance items I'd like to address before relying on it as a daily driver. And I would absolutely love to do that.

#4669968 - 02/18/18 04:36 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
MCompact Offline

Registered: 07/21/02
Posts: 4112
Loc: KY
I can see the benefits and disadvantages of both older and newer cars; I love the simplicity and analog tactile 1reactions of the Club Sport, but I also like` the 2er's ability to switch from cruising(geezer) mode to hard core attack mode with the push of a button. The 2er also lacks any and all Helen Keller "Driver Assistance" nannies- a major plus in my book.
Conversely, the Club Sport is S L O W- 0-60 in 8 seconds, even with a Turner/Conforti chip. As for the 2er, it's @300 pounds too heavy, and the steering doesn't start to communicate until you really start to push it.
It all boils down to what you prioritize; for me, a car has to have something about it that makes me look forward to slipping behind the wheel.
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#4669970 - 02/18/18 04:39 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
Bryanccfshr Offline

Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 5716
Loc: Durango, Co
The current 4Runner isnít terrribly more complicated. 5speed auto, dipstick, not really a olM just a maintenance reminder..
the newer navigation systems are actually nice to have. Nothing to obtrusive.
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2018 Tacoma off-road Castrol 5w30 Magnatec

#4669981 - 02/18/18 04:49 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
Lolvoguy Offline

Registered: 02/06/14
Posts: 2333
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack

IF I live long enough to need a replacement for this 4Runner will I be faced with accepting a lot of stuff I would not need and maybe not use?

No, but for many Volvo owners, that's a resounding YES!

I was perusing the XC90 forums recently hearing of customers complaining how they need to own a smart phone, to be able to use most of the features on their Hybrid SUV's (auto start, etc). To add insult to injury, Volvo is not willing to provide these owners with a smartphone, if they not currently do have one (and many in Volvo's aging demographic obviously don't!).
06 Lexus IS350- Wife
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03 Suzuki SV650S- One night stand

#4669982 - 02/18/18 04:49 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
eljefino Offline

Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 32632
Loc: ME
My wife's former 2007 HHR managed to avoid Tire PMS somehow, though I thought it was a legal requirement. Maybe it hatched in late 06. No ABS, no VVT, no side air bags.

Only bummer was it had a drive-by-wire throttle. However it did do a neat rev-matched downshift from 4th to 2nd when I matted it which I have to give it credit for. approved

#4669996 - 02/18/18 05:00 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
slacktide_bitog Online   content

Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 6149
Loc: USA
Toyota still doesn't use a real OLM, not even in 2018

Also, Ford made a body on frame 4-speed automatic with no touchscreen or GDI or variable cam timing with an old school V8 as late as 2012 smile

#4670012 - 02/18/18 05:15 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
PimTac Online   content

Registered: 03/04/17
Posts: 4272
Loc: Soviet State of Washington
I was in a similar situation. My last new vehicle was a 2000 Mitsubishi Montero Sport. 4 speed auto, shiftable transfer case, and the 3.0 V6. It was and perhaps still is a venerable vehicle. I sold it in 2008 as I was going out of country for some time.

Fast forward to last fall, we purchased our 2017 Mazda CX-5. Grand Touring and fully loaded with everything. This is the first top trim level vehicle Iíve owned. All the others were mid level or base. I will be truthful here that I am getting used to the new electronic nannies. We are spoiled by the heated leather seats and wheel. The HUD means I donít have to keep glancing down to check my speed. The blind spot monitor is also in the HUD and I appreciate it since this car does not have the visibility the Montero had.

Climate control, navigation, and very comfortable for driving especially the longer drives we like to go on.

I wouldnít look back. Embrace the new technology.
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#4670029 - 02/18/18 05:29 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
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Registered: 02/26/13
Posts: 3114
Loc: Central Virginia
My 2012 Silverado is old tech but still gets decent gas mileage for what it is. Probably better than an old Toyota truck with arguably better reliability and certainly cheaper parts. GM made these until 2013 but mine tells me specific tire pressures but if they fail you can always put black electrical tape over the light.
12 Chevy Silverado ext. cab LS, 2WD 4.3 auto
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#4670045 - 02/18/18 05:41 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
fdcg27 Offline

Registered: 09/25/09
Posts: 15693
Loc: OH
Your aging Toyota is hardly the last simple machine although finding something like it in this market these days would be a snipe hunt.
The body on frame construction of that generation of Toyota truck would be sitting in two pieces by now in this part of the country, with the frame rot for which these things were well known.
I had a couple of mid eighties Honda Civic Wagons just like the one that you have although ours had the more attractive composite headlamps that came on the '86 and '87 Civics of that generation.
These were great cars to use and to drive and were very economical in use as well as being simple and easy to maintain.
They would also be terribly dated by today's standards, lacking ride comfort, quietness as well as impact safety.
Liked the cars we had years ago, but those we have today are generally better and are no less durable or reliable.
All of this tech that's new to cars is ancient and well matured stuff in other applications.
17 Forester 12K MSS 0W-20
12 Accord LX 86K PP 5W-20
09 Forester 95K M1HM 10W-30
01 Focus ZX3 118K PP 5W-20
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#4670082 - 02/18/18 06:17 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
BrocLuno Offline

Registered: 09/06/15
Posts: 5513
Loc: Kalifornia Kollective
Gee, I was thinking you were going my way. I'm looking (not very hard) for a decent 1952 Plymouth P22 fastback with a flat head six. I need another car project like I need a hole in my head, but I'm thoroughly un-impressed with modern cars that look like jelly beans and have all plastic interiors frown

I'm just to old to appreciate blue tooth and phone sync and all that. Worked to many years as an ET, and I know that when electronics start to go, you are doomed ...

When that 4Runner dies, for whatever reason, just fly out to LA and buy another. Drive it home and carry on. No rust, so it'll be good for 10 years at least. The rest is readily available in wrecking yards. If not for rust, they would run forever with parts replacements smile
Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.

#4670088 - 02/18/18 06:22 PM Re: Last of bygone era [Re: OneEyeJack]
Nick1994 Offline

Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10101
Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Nissan's 2018 Nissan Versa S is a manual transmission, manual door locks, manual windows, a basic radio, no cruise control, and I think the radio only has 2 speakers.
2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 79k PU 5w30 & OEM
2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 228k M1 AFE 0w30 & Wix
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 146k M1 HM 10w40 & Fram Ultra

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