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Will we see -0w oils in the future? #4669488
02/18/18 09:35 AM
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We went from 10w to 5w to 0w over time. Do you think we will see something like a - 5w oil in the future or are we maxed out?


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669506
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popcorn This should be interesting.

Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669517
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I've asked this question before and got total confusion for an answer.

There has been a value put on 0 that is not 0. Logically anything less than that would be negative. You could have 0w0 would technically have a viscosity thus meaning it truely isn't 0.


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669538
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The answer most commonly used is:

"there is NO 'negative' SAE 0W grade number available by the SAE, per the SAE"

Therefore, if the SAE says it doesn't exist... then there will never be an oil labeled as such.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669544
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00w0
000000000000000w000000

banana

Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669555
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I think 0w-5 is the ultimate government goal.

Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: jhellwig] #4669569
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Originally Posted By: jhellwig
I've asked this question before and got total confusion for an answer.

There has been a value put on 0 that is not 0. Logically anything less than that would be negative. You could have 0w0 would technically have a viscosity thus meaning it truely isn't 0.



? Does going outside when it is 0C or 0F mean there is no temperature?

No one ever indicated a 0W oil has no viscosity although many seem to infer that.


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669570
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Unless winters get colder...why ? We'll probably just move to thinner and thinner oils with less VII laugh


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: simple_gifts] #4669582
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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Originally Posted By: jhellwig
I've asked this question before and got total confusion for an answer.

There has been a value put on 0 that is not 0. Logically anything less than that would be negative. You could have 0w0 would technically have a viscosity thus meaning it truely isn't 0.



? Does going outside when it is 0C or 0F mean there is no temperature?

No one ever indicated a 0W oil has no viscosity although many seem to infer that.


0F or C is a unit of measurement

SAE grades are a not a unit of measurement; they define a specification and ranges.

This page defines it fairly well: http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669584
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Climate change will make this a question of only academic interest...going to be 50-60 degrees in Northern New England in mid-February this week!
;^)


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: simple_gifts] #4669659
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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Originally Posted By: jhellwig
I've asked this question before and got total confusion for an answer.

There has been a value put on 0 that is not 0. Logically anything less than that would be negative. You could have 0w0 would technically have a viscosity thus meaning it truely isn't 0.



? Does going outside when it is 0C or 0F mean there is no temperature?

No one ever indicated a 0W oil has no viscosity although many seem to infer that.


well said


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669661
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Originally Posted By: ZZman
We went from 10w to 5w to 0w over time. Do you think we will see something like a - 5w oil in the future or are we maxed out?


What we will see within the next 10 years is permanent oil,.... no need to change it.


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669676
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Never happen in my world. Too many source of contaminates ...


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669688
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No I'm staying with 5w or 10w-30 I don't see any of the new cars offering anything I need that my Corolla is providing me now. I figure its got an easy 150K left in it.


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Re: Will we see -0w oils in the future? [Re: ZZman] #4669702
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Wouldn't that be up to the various viscosity index groups to change the specs? ???

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