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Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine #4669333
02/18/18 08:38 AM
02/18/18 08:38 AM
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Reunion Island
Superflan Offline OP
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Hi,

the air filter on the Koleos is due for replacement (power cut in "high" revs (3000+)). Since we will not sell this car and I like custom things, I'm wondering if it could be an issue if I ditch the factory airbox and inlet tract to put some aftermarket washable filter in place. See the picture :



I recognize it's a fantasy but could it have negative effects that I'm not aware of ? boost threshold is as low as 1700rpm.

I'm leaning towards silicon or metal inlet tract, and a dual-stage foam filter.


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669343
02/18/18 08:51 AM
02/18/18 08:51 AM
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skyactiv Online content
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Your wasting time and money for no benefit.


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669344
02/18/18 08:51 AM
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If there's black smoke look for a boost leak, if there's no smoke check fuel pump&filter.


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669345
02/18/18 08:53 AM
02/18/18 08:53 AM
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Total waste of time, money and effort IMHO.


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669355
02/18/18 09:01 AM
02/18/18 09:01 AM
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Don't, just don't, especially on this engine. Well, it could work perfectly, but you won't gain much if anything smile


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Popsy] #4669363
02/18/18 09:07 AM
02/18/18 09:07 AM
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Reunion Island
Superflan Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Your wasting time and money for no benefit.

I understand that there will be no performance benefit wink personal aesthetics.

Originally Posted By: Olas
If there's black smoke look for a boost leak, if there's no smoke check fuel pump&filter.

The filter is just clogged. If I remove the filter, there's no cut. I do this test everytime to know if the filter is due for replacement (20000 km).

Originally Posted By: Trav
Total waste of time, money and effort IMHO.

I hear you.

Originally Posted By: Popsy
Don't, just don't, especially on this engine. Well, it could work perfectly, but you won't gain much if anything smile


What's the concern about this engine ?


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669393
02/18/18 09:29 AM
02/18/18 09:29 AM
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Frogland / Brittany
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Here they have a reputation for going through air sensor and turbo quickly, but my guess is poor maintenance (I think OEM recommendation have very long OCI). Some cracked head reports too, from time to time, but mostly on early engines.

(this is to be taken with a grain of salt, on forums or car magazines most of the time you only see the worst, and not the perfectly happy users with perfectly running engine haha)


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669453
02/18/18 10:03 AM
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That filter gets clogged quickly at 20k km
Do you live in that dirty of an environment?
My filters go a lot longer than that


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669454
02/18/18 10:04 AM
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Where is Reunion Island?


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: toneydoc] #4669489
02/18/18 10:35 AM
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Reunion Island
Superflan Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: toneydoc
That filter gets clogged quickly at 20k km
Do you live in that dirty of an environment?
My filters go a lot longer than that


Yep, really dirty. See that post : Rate My Filter

Originally Posted By: toneydoc
Where is Reunion Island?


Here : Reunion Island Google Maps


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: toneydoc] #4669502
02/18/18 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: toneydoc
Where is Reunion Island?


Réunion Island, a French department in the Indian Ocean, is known for its volcanic, rainforested interior, coral reefs and beaches. Its most iconic landmark is Piton de la Fournaise, a climbable active volcano standing 2,632m (8,635 ft.). Piton des Neiges, a massive extinct volcano, and Réunion’s 3 calderas (natural amphitheaters formed by collapsed volcanoes), are also climbing destinations.


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Linctex] #4669509
02/18/18 10:48 AM
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Reunion Island
Superflan Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: toneydoc
Where is Reunion Island?


Réunion Island, a French department in the Indian Ocean, is known for its volcanic, rainforested interior, coral reefs and beaches. Its most iconic landmark is Piton de la Fournaise, a climbable active volcano standing 2,632m (8,635 ft.). Piton des Neiges, a massive extinct volcano, and Réunion’s 3 calderas (natural amphitheaters formed by collapsed volcanoes), are also climbing destinations.


Have you been there ?



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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669519
02/18/18 10:56 AM
02/18/18 10:56 AM
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The majority of aftermarket filters are less efficient than factory paper filters so cause more damage to turbo, bores, rings etc.
If your filter is clogging too quickly then the best solution would be to use an air filter & housing with more surface area to allow greater life.

If you insist on an aftermarket intake look at ITG who make various different combinations of airflow/filtration in all of their products. http://itgairfilters.com/page/foam-specifications/

Last edited by Olas; 02/18/18 11:00 AM.

Cable ties should hold it
Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Olas] #4669567
02/18/18 11:37 AM
02/18/18 11:37 AM
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Reunion Island
Superflan Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Olas
If you insist on an aftermarket intake look at ITG who make various different combinations of airflow/filtration in all of their products. http://itgairfilters.com/page/foam-specifications/


What about aFe Power ?


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Re: Ditching the OEM intake on a turbo diesel engine [Re: Superflan] #4669599
02/18/18 11:59 AM
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Just swap out the factory filter more often.


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