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#4667294 - 02/15/18 10:04 PM .357 SIG Remington Ammo
BlueOvalFitter Offline


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I came across some .357 SIG Remington UMC 125 gr. JHP ammo, but can't find any ballistic gel testing on it. Anyone know anything about this ammo? Is it re-boxed Golden Saber ammo?

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#4667297 - 02/15/18 10:12 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I came across some .357 SIG Remington UMC 125 gr. JHP ammo, but can't find any ballistic gel testing on it. Anyone know anything about this ammo? Is it re-boxed Golden Saber ammo?


Their .357 Magnum and 38 special Golden Saber is pretty good stuff you can see it on Utube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRe6BzIqu6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK6KbA-HuZ8


Edited by JohnnyJohnson (02/15/18 10:18 PM)
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#4667303 - 02/15/18 10:20 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
I came across some .357 SIG Remington UMC 125 gr. JHP ammo, but can't find any ballistic gel testing on it. Anyone know anything about this ammo? Is it re-boxed Golden Saber ammo?


Their .357 Magnum and 38 special Golden Saber is pretty good stuff you can see it on Utube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRe6BzIqu6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK6KbA-HuZ8

So, it is re-boxed Golden Saber ammo? shrug

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#4667311 - 02/15/18 10:35 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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No I don't think the Golden Saber is reboxed as UMC.

Look at the expansion leafs on them no other bullets I know of are cut like that Sabers.



Edited by JohnnyJohnson (02/15/18 10:37 PM)
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#4667315 - 02/15/18 10:44 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Not from what I can tell. Pics of the two rounds look different.

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#4667321 - 02/15/18 10:53 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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It would be very doubtful that the Golden Saber would be reboxed/rebranded as .357 SIG Remington UMC 125 gr. JHP ammo

Little fact; the Golden Saber projectile was designed by the same guy that designed the Black Talon
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#4667326 - 02/15/18 11:00 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIJbwVE2T80


Golden Saber is a Brass jacket, not copper, as you can see in Sam's video, UMC is copper.
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#4667334 - 02/15/18 11:13 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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UMC is really just range ammo quality. It is the bottom barrel stuff in the Remington family. I would not trust my life to it always going off or expanding.

That being said it will test your gun to see if it hates JHP's in general.
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#4667813 - 02/16/18 12:21 PM Re: .357 SIG Remington Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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Paul Harrell uses Remington UMC in his meat target tests, so look for his other 357 sig videos if you want to see more. Iirc even the basic jhp design on UMC will expand in 357 sig here because it's got good velocity.

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#4668812 - 02/17/18 02:39 PM Choice of .357 SIG Ammo
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I have the choice between these (2) SIG .357 rounds;
1) SIG SAUER Elite v-Crown 125 gr.
2) Winchester PDX1 125 gr.
I found a ballistics gel test on both, but nothing as well detailed on the SIG V-Crown.
Which would you choose for personal defense?


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#4668816 - 02/17/18 02:45 PM Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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After studying pistol and rifle ballistics for awhile and their terminal effects I've come to really love the design and ballistics of the .357 Mag and .357 sig.
Anything at normal velocities within these caliber designed for social work will be good.
Both calibers have enough velocity so that even inexpensive ammunition does well.
Premium ammo will do even better and will pass more "tests", but it's the velocity that matters.

Pick an ammo that feeds.
In the bottle neck cartridge world there isn't much that does not feed.

Also, Practice practice practice.
The biggest issue with .357 sig is that ammo is cost prohibitive as buying a case of 1000 can be several times that of a case of 9mm to practice with.
You don't exactly have former communist countries cranking out .357 Sig ammo like you do 9mm.

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#4668829 - 02/17/18 02:54 PM Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: SuperDave456]
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Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
After studying pistol and rifle ballistics for awhile and their terminal effects I've come to really love the design and ballistics of the .357 Mag and .357 sig.
Anything at normal velocities within these caliber designed for social work will be good.
Both calibers have enough velocity so that even inexpensive ammunition does well.
Premium ammo will do even better and will pass more "tests", but it's the velocity that matters.

Pick an ammo that feeds.
In the bottle neck cartridge world there isn't much that does not feed.

Also, Practice practice practice.
The biggest issue with .357 sig is that ammo is cost prohibitive as buying a case of 1000 can be several times that of a case of 9mm to practice with.
You don't exactly have former communist countries cranking out .357 Sig ammo like you do 9mm.

I currently carry HST as my personal defense round in all of my pistols. But, I did a favor for a friend that knows I like the .357 SIG round and he offered me the choice I stated in my post. I am leaning towards the PDX1's but just wanted an opinion on both.

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#4668838 - 02/17/18 03:02 PM Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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PDX is generally a well regarded self defense round, and it is commonly available in sporting goods stores. I use it in .45 ACP for my HD gun.

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#4668850 - 02/17/18 03:16 PM Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: BlueOvalFitter]
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PDX see the way the expansion cuts are made in its nose? That is a Black Talon the isn't black.
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#4668854 - 02/17/18 03:25 PM Re: Choice of .357 SIG Ammo [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
PDX see the way the expansion cuts are made in its nose? That is a Black Talon the isn't black.

What?

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