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2013 Mazdaspeed3 #4668556
02/17/18 09:17 AM
02/17/18 09:17 AM
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Georgia USA
GeorgeWPAGA Offline OP
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Eneos 5W-30 VS Liqui Moly Longtime 5W-30. I usually stay with 5K oil change intervals for peace of mind. Mixed highway/city traffic.


2013 Mazdaspeed3
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4668570
02/17/18 09:35 AM
02/17/18 09:35 AM
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FL
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I know you’re asking about two oils. Do you expect something from them that you’d not get from Mobil 1 or Penzoil Platinum? (I owned a 2011 Mazdaspeed3 for 7 years and 100k miles before trading it in just a month ago.)


'18 Honda Accord 2.0t-Mobil 1-EP 0w20
'18 Toyota Highlander-Mobil 1-EP 0w20
'12 Honda NC700X T6
'14 Kawasaki ZX-14R Yamalube 15w50
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: digitalSniperX1] #4668584
02/17/18 09:55 AM
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Georgia USA
GeorgeWPAGA Offline OP
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Not really no, I just have readily availability to both Liqui Moly and Eneos. Not really a fan on Mobil-1, never used pennzoil before.


2013 Mazdaspeed3
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4668599
02/17/18 10:22 AM
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After 100k miles using almost exclusively M1 5w30, driven hard, my ‘11 Speed3 still ran as new. Your biggest issue with that car’s engine is going to be the valves. They will accumulate carbon and you’ll loose power due to that. And no oil is any better than the other with respect to that problem. After 40k miles you’ll want to remove everything needed to access the valves and clean them. Trust that I know about these things. Some will claim a catch can, low volitility oils or running sea foam will clean them. Complete nonsense. Without cleaning them expect to lose a couple MPG’s and 50+ HP.


'18 Honda Accord 2.0t-Mobil 1-EP 0w20
'18 Toyota Highlander-Mobil 1-EP 0w20
'12 Honda NC700X T6
'14 Kawasaki ZX-14R Yamalube 15w50
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4668641
02/17/18 11:05 AM
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welcome

Any synthetic will be good for 5k, so just pick whichever is the better price and availability smile

Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4668660
02/17/18 11:31 AM
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I ran a 2007 MS3 from 2007 to 2016, putting 158k on it. I Started out with M1 5W-30 and a 5k OCI. I eventually extended the OCI to 7.5k miles. UOAs showed the OCI could likely be extended to 10k. A lot of "experts" on the Mazda forums badmouth M1, but whenever I posted one of my UOAs it became very quiet...


Mine:
2014 M235i
2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
1995 318ti Club Sport

Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i


Son's
2009 328i

Buy what makes you smile...
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4668711
02/17/18 12:40 PM
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Oh I’ve read the stuff on the speed3 forums. Seems the magical elixir last time I read on one was Rotella T6. And anyone using M1 would immediately suffer a smoking turbo and engine failure before finishing off a tankful of gas. I’m not trying to sell him on M1. Just trying to find out his objective, or at least what he believes he will achieve using these oils.


'18 Honda Accord 2.0t-Mobil 1-EP 0w20
'18 Toyota Highlander-Mobil 1-EP 0w20
'12 Honda NC700X T6
'14 Kawasaki ZX-14R Yamalube 15w50
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4668742
02/17/18 01:19 PM
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Dang, kinda expensive oils you picking from esp at 5k OCI's.

Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: Speak2Mountain] #4668744
02/17/18 01:20 PM
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If you're gonna spend that kinda $$, I'd get Redline or Amsoil.

Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4668811
02/17/18 02:39 PM
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For that use Supertech will do, but if you must, then LM. Eneos is a GFx oil, while LM is A3/B4 type, no science, just my personal preference.


95 Cherokee 190K DELO 10W30, XG8
07 IS250 103K Napa 10w30, FULL
04 YZF-R1 19K DELO 15w40, XG7317
99 HD XL1200S 21K VR1 20w50, NG1515
14 RX450h 35k PP MIX, NG7047
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: Dyusik] #4681531
03/01/18 01:44 PM
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Georgia USA
GeorgeWPAGA Offline OP
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What is a GFx oil?
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
For that use Supertech will do, but if you must, then LM. Eneos is a GFx oil, while LM is A3/B4 type, no science, just my personal preference.


2013 Mazdaspeed3
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: digitalSniperX1] #4685391
03/05/18 04:51 PM
03/05/18 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
After 100k miles using almost exclusively M1 5w30, driven hard, my ‘11 Speed3 still ran as new. Your biggest issue with that car’s engine is going to be the valves. They will accumulate carbon and you’ll loose power due to that. And no oil is any better than the other with respect to that problem. After 40k miles you’ll want to remove everything needed to access the valves and clean them. Trust that I know about these things. Some will claim a catch can, low volitility oils or running sea foam will clean them. Complete nonsense. Without cleaning them expect to lose a couple MPG’s and 50+ HP.


One thing that does help at least with the intake valves is to remove the intake off the throttle body, and have someone hold the throttle around 4k rpms and spray berrymans carb cleaner down the intake. That will clean the back side of the valves, and the intake manifold, and the top of the Pistons.

Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: Bullwinkle007] #4694323
03/14/18 07:40 AM
03/14/18 07:40 AM
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Georgia USA
GeorgeWPAGA Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Bullwinkle007
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
After 100k miles using almost exclusively M1 5w30, driven hard, my ‘11 Speed3 still ran as new. Your biggest issue with that car’s engine is going to be the valves. They will accumulate carbon and you’ll loose power due to that. And no oil is any better than the other with respect to that problem. After 40k miles you’ll want to remove everything needed to access the valves and clean them. Trust that I know about these things. Some will claim a catch can, low volitility oils or running sea foam will clean them. Complete nonsense. Without cleaning them expect to lose a couple MPG’s and 50+ HP.


One thing that does help at least with the intake valves is to remove the intake off the throttle body, and have someone hold the throttle around 4k rpms and spray berrymans carb cleaner down the intake. That will clean the back side of the valves, and the intake manifold, and the top of the Pistons.


What about using CRC GDI cleaner?


2013 Mazdaspeed3
Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4735485
04/22/18 04:11 PM
04/22/18 04:11 PM
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Kyiv, Ukraine
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Originally Posted By: GeorgeWPAGA
What is a GFx oil?
Originally Posted By: Dyusik
For that use Supertech will do, but if you must, then LM. Eneos is a GFx oil, while LM is A3/B4 type, no science, just my personal preference.


GFx is one of ILSAC Spec used in NA: GF-4, GF-5. In my Mazda6 2005 I used ACEA A3/B3 5W-30 just from the first oil change with wonderful results. Typically Mazda pushes first for Mazda ACEA A5/B5 oil (Total/Elf) which is similar to GF-4/5 for viscosity (SAE and HT/HS), but more robust in additives package. However, it also allows A3/B3/4. Most of those who used Mazda oil experienced an oil consumption already to 100K km, but mine was still OK at 160K km.

Re: 2013 Mazdaspeed3 [Re: GeorgeWPAGA] #4735763
04/22/18 10:17 PM
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Two completely different oil. Focus less on the SAE grade (i.e. “5W-30”) and more on the actual specification, that’s what matters. I’d stick with an ACEA A3/B3 or C3.


2007 X5 4.8i: M1 HM 10W-30
2016 Countryman S: EDGE 0W-30
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