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Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe #4668447
02/17/18 05:00 AM
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Car is a Mitsubishi Lancer 1.5L (4A91 engine), model of 2010.

No sport shocks are available from the title's manufacturers for it, only the following ones:

So which of the above is the most suitable for a sport driving style?

Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668449
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Bilstein B4 ..... Best out there.


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Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668451
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I'd go with Bilstein.


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Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668471
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Bilstein has been top notch in all I've seen.

Monroe OESpectrum aren't very good. Which is a shame, cause the other Monroe shocks like Reflex and Sensatrac are good.

KYB has performed well for me in my 300ZX (before I went with coilovers) and my Matrix. If I'm not mistaken, they make the OE shock/struts for several Japanese manufacturers.

"ZF Group offers 4 brands: SACHS, LEMFORDER, BOGE and TRW" - only heard of Sachs and TRW. Sachs is an econo-line at best. Good for a few months before you sell the car sorta thing. TRW makes good tie rod ends, but I've no experience with their shock/struts.

Last edited by Dumc87; 02/17/18 05:57 AM.

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Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668473
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I had the same impression.
I also think of changing front top mounts along with the struts. Any reason to change rear top mounts too? Car has about 80 thousand miles.

Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668479
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Quick Strut every thing is new, KYB works well.

Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668498
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Sachs/Lemforder is OEM supplier for BMW Merecedes and Audi/VW, Id say theyre probably the best in terms of OE replacement. Bilsteins are probably a slight upgrade at B4, but B6 would be the best for sport shocks. The others are a cheaper quaflity replacement, id only go with them for the price.

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Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: Rudy1999 250] #4668499
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Originally Posted By: Rudy1999 250
Bilstein B4 ..... Best out there.

Or B6, or B8. The point is, Bilstein. thumbsup


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Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: Dumc87] #4668514
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Originally Posted By: Dumc87


"ZF Group offers 4 brands: SACHS, LEMFORDER, BOGE and TRW" - only heard of Sachs and TRW. Sachs is an econo-line at best. Good for a few months before you sell the car sorta thing. TRW makes good tie rod ends, but I've no experience with their shock/struts.


What are you talking about, that is totally false info! Sachs is one of the best on the market and Boge is the same part in a different box eg Boge Turbo and Sachs advantage. Lemforderer and TRW are relabeled. Sachs and Boge years ago were independent and were different but both had an equally sold reputation and were an OE supplier in their own right. ZF is an OE supplier today without the branding but manufacturers symbols and part numbers.

I remember the Boge and Sachs branded OE shocks and struts with OE part numbers on new cars, they still come from the same factories today.
They are equal to the Bilstein B4, the mono tube variants are equal to the B6. Quality wise there is not much if anything between them.
Monroe is just scrap metal, not much else to say about them. Koni has a few models also that are really good and worth looking at if they make them for your application.


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Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668532
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I'd vote Bilstein. I've never had good luck with monroes, I find they always end up leaking around the year mark after install.

Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668544
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KYB is the largest shock manufacturer, and the OE supplier to most Japanese cars.

I know that Japanese cars aren't as popular in Europe, and Mitsubishi is one of the smaller car companies, there might not be as many parts available for it, or as much of a market for them.

This means that all the ones you mentioned could be the same KYB shocks in different boxes.

That said, KYB's aftermarket shocks are supposedly 10% more firm than OE

Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: Audios] #4668546
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Originally Posted By: Audios
Sachs/Lemforder is OEM supplier for BMW Merecedes and Audi/VW, Id say theyre probably the best in terms of OE replacement. Bilsteins are probably a slight upgrade at B4, but B6 would be the best for sport shocks. The others are a cheaper quaflity replacement, id only go with them for the price.


They only produce B4 for this specific Lancer, as far as I know...


Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: Dumc87


"ZF Group offers 4 brands: SACHS, LEMFORDER, BOGE and TRW" - only heard of Sachs and TRW. Sachs is an econo-line at best. Good for a few months before you sell the car sorta thing. TRW makes good tie rod ends, but I've no experience with their shock/struts.


What are you talking about, that is totally false info! Sachs is one of the best on the market and Boge is the same part in a different box eg Boge Turbo and Sachs advantage. Lemforderer and TRW are relabeled. Sachs and Boge years ago were independent and were different but both had an equally sold reputation and were an OE supplier in their own right. ZF is an OE supplier today without the branding but manufacturers symbols and part numbers.

I remember the Boge and Sachs branded OE shocks and struts with OE part numbers on new cars, they still come from the same factories today.
They are equal to the Bilstein B4, the mono tube variants are equal to the B6. Quality wise there is not much if anything between them.
Monroe is just scrap metal, not much else to say about them. Koni has a few models also that are really good and worth looking at if they make them for your application.


Koni Sport are available at around 700 . I think they are an overkill for a car with 110 hp.

Also KW Coilover Variant 2 inox are compatible with the car, but they cost 1500 and if Koni is an overkill I don't know how I should characterize those.

Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668590
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Call Bilstein. It may cost a little more, but they should be able to valve a set any way you want. I know they will for rebuilds.

If you're on an all stock setup, I'd go with the B4s out of the box. I think you'll be happy.


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Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: inquirer] #4668662
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Originally Posted By: inquirer
Koni Sport are available at around 700 . I think they are an overkill for a car with 110 hp.

Also KW Coilover Variant 2 inox are compatible with the car, but they cost 1500 and if Koni is an overkill I don't know how I should characterize those.


If you are looking for sport shocks for a sport driving style, and you can afford the $700 for Koni, then you should get them. They will be better than any of the other shocks you listed in your OP smile

Re: Bilstein vs KYB vs ZF Group vs Monroe [Re: rooflessVW] #4668667
02/17/18 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Call Bilstein. It may cost a little more, but they should be able to valve a set any way you want. I know they will for rebuilds.

If you're on an all stock setup, I'd go with the B4s out of the box. I think you'll be happy.


You mean they can build a B6, even if they don't have it in their catalog? Who should I contact? I'm in Greece by the way...

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