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P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado #4667328
02/16/18 12:00 AM
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I've recently bought a 1991 Silverado Extended Cab, Long Bed to use for Home Depot runs and to load stuff into this truck for transport that I would not like to put into my nicer SUV or sedan. The truck came with LT tires from the factory in size 245/75-16. The previous owner upgraded the size to 265/75-16 which many upgrade to for a slightly taller and beefier tire. The truck has two Dunlop A/T Radial Rover on the front and two Jetzon Revenger A/T in the back. Both axles have plenty of tread. However, from my understanding both of these tires don't perform well in the rain or snow, something that's important for me in a full size truck with weak brakes during inclement conditions.

DTD is having their Presidents Day promotions on tires and I thought about buying four new ones for this rig. I don't want to spend a lot but at the same time want the performance. I have decided to downgrade from the LT tire to a regular P tire for a smoother ride. From my research many people put the P rated tires on their trucks and many trucks come from the factory with P rated tires. The LT tires have reinforced sidewall with more ply to carry heavier loads and for towing. I do not intend to carry any heavy loads or will I ever tow anything. I also want to go back to the stock size of 245/75-16 to perhaps get a slight bump in gas mileage and to reduce some sluggishness.

I'm not sure these things will be achieved but it's worth a shot. The P tires are less expensive than the LT tires so I've narrowed it down to the General HTS60 which are selling for $105.50 per tire with a combined rebate of $135, meaning these will be shipped to my door for $287 after rebate in size 245/75-16. The reviews are great and these will probably perform better and ride better than the tires that are on the truck now.

One thing that bothers me is that the door jamb sticker on the truck recommends a 45 cold pressure psi on the factory LT rated tires which have a capacity of 80psi if needed. The P rated tires have a maximum recommended pressure of 44psi on the sidewall as many of you know. If I run these at 44psi cold pressure or close to it, I'd be running them at the maximum recommended pressure of the tire but slightly lower than what GM recommends at 45psi for the LT tires. Would this be okay to run the P rated tires at their maximum mfg. recommended tire pressure - to be as close to the 45psi GM recommended pressure or is it simply too dangerous especially for the summertime as the pressure will rise with temperature on this heavy rig?

I intend to recoup some of the cost of the new tires by selling the old tires on Craigslist as they all have a lot of tread left.

Is my logic about the tire size, performance of the Grabber HTS60, downgrading to a P rated tire that has a maximum allowable mfg recommended pressure of 44psi skewed for my needs? Should I pay an extra $51 and get the LT rated HTS60 with the lower 50k mile treadwear rating and settle for a harsher ride?

The Continental Contact LX20 also have rebates on them and from some reviews look to be good tires but the reviews for the HTS60 seem to be better suited for a full size truck.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667333
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I'd just spend a couple extra bucks and put the tires it calls for on it and not worry.

LT tires don't make that big of a difference. I've got LT tires on my Jeep and upgraded to them on my 96' C1500 and never noticed a difference.

On an old truck, a 1% slightly less bumpy ride to Home Depot really shouldn't matter.


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667354
02/16/18 12:37 AM
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I would go P for sure for the reasons you stated.

I would treat it like a car tire and run it at 36 or 38. 36 front 38 rear?


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667364
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LT tires need more pressure by design. Run your P tires at a lower pressure. It's up to you what that lower pressure is, but I would guess roughly 10 PSI less. You should be able to find a load vs. pressure chart for your new P tire. Also realize that any P tire's advertised load rating is reduced by a factor of 1.1 when it is installed on a light truck.


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667397
02/16/18 05:49 AM
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I find it odd that a 1991 K1500 would call for lt tires. Maybe in 1991 a 16" sizes were only available in 6 ply lt?

Another size to consider might be 265/70-16. Likely hard to find in LT form but just a little wider. When shopping for tires for my moms sequoia the price between the 245/75s and the 265/70s could be as different as $25 a tire.


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667409
02/16/18 06:41 AM
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Through your own research, I would get a really nice set of 4 tires from DTD for exactly what you need/want in the SIZE that you want(even if you stay with the 265s). Get tires that will perform for you in the foul weather that you will encounter. And sell off your current tires on the truck to recoup some of your money back.

My buddy put on his '97 Dodge RAM(OE were 245mm), "P" tires(in 265mm) because he used the truck like a car. The "P" were OK however due to the weight of the truck all by itself, these tires didn't perform as well and wore out fast compared to an "LT" in everyday-ness. The "P" were a bit sloppy. The "LT" tires were just better suited for this RAM.

On the next set of tires(he stayed with 265mm) however he went with a more appropriate "LT" tire more suited to the truck. A NICE HIWY TIRE(I can't remember) like Firestone Destination LE2 or Michelin LTX MS/2. NOT a full blown knobby truck tire designed for weight & construction sites.

But in these new "LT" tires, he ran a lower PSI for comfort(didn't affect MPG) and the fact that this truck never had any weight in the box to speak of except for the occasional sheet of plywood or a few 2x4/2x6's.

My buddy didn't run the high PSI in the tires, that the truck required(for heavy loads) as he never loaded up the truck. You can probably run a PSI that is more suitable for your normal type driving.


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667430
02/16/18 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted By: Spartuss
I've recently bought a 1991 Silverado Extended Cab, Long Bed to use for Home Depot runs and to load stuff into this truck for transport that I would not like to put into my nicer SUV or sedan. The truck came with LT tires from the factory in size 245/75-16. The previous owner upgraded the size to 265/75-16 which many upgrade to for a slightly taller and beefier tire. The truck has two Dunlop A/T Radial Rover on the front and two Jetzon Revenger A/T in the back. Both axles have plenty of tread. However, from my understanding both of these tires don't perform well in the rain or snow, something that's important for me in a full size truck with weak brakes during inclement conditions.

DTD is having their Presidents Day promotions on tires and I thought about buying four new ones for this rig. I don't want to spend a lot but at the same time want the performance. I have decided to downgrade from the LT tire to a regular P tire for a smoother ride. From my research many people put the P rated tires on their trucks and many trucks come from the factory with P rated tires. The LT tires have reinforced sidewall with more ply to carry heavier loads and for towing. I do not intend to carry any heavy loads or will I ever tow anything. I also want to go back to the stock size of 245/75-16 to perhaps get a slight bump in gas mileage and to reduce some sluggishness.

I'm not sure these things will be achieved but it's worth a shot. The P tires are less expensive than the LT tires so I've narrowed it down to the General HTS60 which are selling for $105.50 per tire with a combined rebate of $135, meaning these will be shipped to my door for $287 after rebate in size 245/75-16. The reviews are great and these will probably perform better and ride better than the tires that are on the truck now.

One thing that bothers me is that the door jamb sticker on the truck recommends a 45 cold pressure psi on the factory LT rated tires which have a capacity of 80psi if needed. The P rated tires have a maximum recommended pressure of 44psi on the sidewall as many of you know. If I run these at 44psi cold pressure or close to it, I'd be running them at the maximum recommended pressure of the tire but slightly lower than what GM recommends at 45psi for the LT tires. Would this be okay to run the P rated tires at their maximum mfg. recommended tire pressure - to be as close to the 45psi GM recommended pressure or is it simply too dangerous especially for the summertime as the pressure will rise with temperature on this heavy rig?

I intend to recoup some of the cost of the new tires by selling the old tires on Craigslist as they all have a lot of tread left.

Is my logic about the tire size, performance of the Grabber HTS60, downgrading to a P rated tire that has a maximum allowable mfg recommended pressure of 44psi skewed for my needs? Should I pay an extra $51 and get the LT rated HTS60 with the lower 50k mile treadwear rating and settle for a harsher ride?

The Continental Contact LX20 also have rebates on them and from some reviews look to be good tires but the reviews for the HTS60 seem to be better suited for a full size truck.

Thanks in advance!

So you have a truck but you want to run passenger car tires on cause you don't want it to ride like a truck?

Sounds like you need one of the newer trucks with all the comforts of home and buttons for each.


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667473
02/16/18 08:22 AM
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Starting in 1996 on the K1500 they went to a P245/75-16 109 load index at 35 psi, or the P265/75-16 114 load index tire at 35 psi. The LT was the 3rd option. I think that the P tires at 35psi would work fine, since they are still using P tires even on the new heavier trucks at 35psi. I have never used, or needed an LT tire on any of my 1/2 ton trucks.


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667495
02/16/18 08:47 AM
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OK, let's do some math:

An LT245/75R16 has a load carrying capacity at 45 psi of 1985#.

A P245/75R16 has a load carrying capacity of 2065# at 35 psi (after derating for LT service) - and 2004# at 33 psi (after derating), but 1975# at 32 psi (after derating).

So there is enough load carrying capacity.

While I don't think this is a good idea, my fundamental argument is moot. The only thing I can object to is the difference in spring rate caused by the pressure - AND - I think you are going to have trouble getting most tire shops to agree to the swap.


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667509
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What's the deal of an LT tire of the same size with lower rating than a P tire?


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: CapriRacer] #4667522
02/16/18 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
OK, let's do some math:

An LT245/75R16 has a load carrying capacity at 45 psi of 1985#.

A P245/75R16 has a load carrying capacity of 2065# at 35 psi (after derating for LT service) - and 2004# at 33 psi (after derating), but 1975# at 32 psi (after derating).

So there is enough load carrying capacity.

While I don't think this is a good idea, my fundamental argument is moot. The only thing I can object to is the difference in spring rate caused by the pressure - AND - I think you are going to have trouble getting most tire shops to agree to the swap.

Some US tire shops give good advice on this and some don’t … I trusted a 30 year guy on the subject as did my son. Both rode like tanks and really did not need LT … it was a desired tread design mainly …
Many, many 1500 trucks leaving the factory with P metric over the last few years …
Unless there is just a technical or preference for LT … P metric are doing lots of light truck work …
And any P245/P265 are not small tires compared to when I got my 1st W150
Some folks might be best off with a 2500 truck on LT’s … I know two guys incredibly pleased with that switch …

Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: Spartuss] #4667566
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My truck came with P tires stock and a 6900 lb tow rating. We, and the previous owner, both tow/ed with it. My first trailer was about 6500 wet with stuff in the bed. While that was really too much for the truck, we didn't have any issues with P tires, aired up to the max. We've got a smaller TT now at about 4500 wet. P tires are fine.

So if you're just driving around town in an unloaded truck carrying the occassional plywood and drywall run, it's not even worth another thought. P tires at 30-35 PSI will be just fine.

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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: meep] #4667608
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Sounds like this truck is a beater for when you dont want to use your SUV. With that said I wouldnt spend that kind of money on tires when you say that the tires on it have plenty of tread.

Since you sound like a frugal and educated person with an eye to detail..

I would sell the truck and get a small utility trailer. (no maintenance, no insurance, taxes, inspections etc etc)


The trailer will haul much more than any pickup will and it doesnt need any attention.

Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: AZjeff] #4667610
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Originally Posted By: AZjeff
What's the deal of an LT tire of the same size with lower rating than a P tire?
The LT has full rating at 80 PSI, the P is usually around 44 PSI or so. If you're never, ever going to haul anything heavy or tow anything, go with the P-I personally use LTs and run them at 45-50. If I wanted a Cadillac, I would buy one...whoops, Escalades are "trucks", aren't they??


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Re: P instead of LT for K1500 GMT400 Silverado [Re: krismoriah72] #4667612
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Originally Posted By: krismoriah72
Sounds like this truck is a beater for when you dont want to use your SUV. With that said I wouldnt spend that kind of money on tires when you say that the tires on it have plenty of tread.

Since you sound like a frugal and educated person with an eye to detail..

I would sell the truck and get a small utility trailer. (no maintenance, no insurance, taxes, inspections etc etc)


The trailer will haul much more than any pickup will and it doesnt need any attention.

Had one for 20 years = also like how much lower they are for loading/unloading … especially compared to 4WD vehicles …





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