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#4667316 - 02/15/18 10:47 PM odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market
edwardh1 Offline


Registered: 01/17/03
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they seem to have the midrange market in hand, and with the introduction of the ultra 20 k miles at 99% amd $8.87 at waldo mart why would anyone not use the Ultra. you could cut the use time to 12000 or 15000 miles and get rid of messy flter changes- thats what I have done- 4000 to 5000 miles x 3 on dino oil and one fram ultra.

so many posts on here are about Ag suppy at $3.13 vs 4.64 on a Bavarian unknown vs a jobber special at $$3.67.
Why bother? wonder if Fram filter sales are up?
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#4667322 - 02/15/18 10:56 PM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


Registered: 10/22/09
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Fram Tough Guard .99% meets all my requirements my Corolla will never see a 10K OIC. $6.64


Edited by JohnnyJohnson (02/15/18 10:57 PM)
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#4667387 - 02/16/18 03:12 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
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Registered: 12/04/04
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That filter is good for at least 12K OCIs, in a relatively clean engine.

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#4667408 - 02/16/18 05:41 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1]
JC1 Offline


Registered: 11/29/08
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Loc: Oshawa, Ontario Canada
Lack of of education about using an oil filter for multiple OCI.

Unless governments impose taxes to make people use filters for multiple OCI or manufacturers like Honda make it mandatory, things will not change.
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#4667418 - 02/16/18 05:56 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1]
dnewton3 Offline



Registered: 05/14/07
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Loc: Indianapolis, IN
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
they seem to have the midrange market in hand, and with the introduction of the ultra 20 k miles at 99% amd $8.87 at waldo mart why would anyone not use the Ultra. you could cut the use time to 12000 or 15000 miles and get rid of messy flter changes- thats what I have done- 4000 to 5000 miles x 3 on dino oil and one fram ultra.

so many posts on here are about Ag suppy at $3.13 vs 4.64 on a Bavarian unknown vs a jobber special at $$3.67.
Why bother? wonder if Fram filter sales are up?



Well we don't know your vehicle, operational pattern, etc.

But I suspect you can probably take your OCI out with the FCI, and run 12-15k miles on dino and Ultra.
I mean, if you see the value in properly utilizing the FCI extension, then why not the OCI extension?

Do some UOAs and find out!
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#4667441 - 02/16/18 06:38 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: dnewton3]
edwardh1 Offline


Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 2941
Loc: Coastal South Carolina
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
they seem to have the midrange market in hand, and with the introduction of the ultra 20 k miles at 99% amd $8.87 at waldo mart why would anyone not use the Ultra. you could cut the use time to 12000 or 15000 miles and get rid of messy flter changes- thats what I have done- 4000 to 5000 miles x 3 on dino oil and one fram ultra.

so many posts on here are about Ag suppy at $3.13 vs 4.64 on a Bavarian unknown vs a jobber special at $$3.67.
Why bother? wonder if Fram filter sales are up?



Well we don't know your vehicle, operational pattern, etc.

But I suspect you can probably take your OCI out with the FCI, and run 12-15k miles on dino and Ultra.
I mean, if you see the value in properly utilizing the FCI extension, then why not the OCI extension?

Do some UOAs and find out!



youre probably right. we have had in family great luck with 5k dino changes, cars (Japanese) go 140k then give to kids they drive past 200k then sell to someone glad to buy them
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#4667464 - 02/16/18 07:09 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: JC1]
Trav Offline


Registered: 11/20/06
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Loc: MA, Mittelfranken.de
Originally Posted By: JC1
Lack of of education about using an oil filter for multiple OCI.

Unless governments impose taxes to make people use filters for multiple OCI or manufacturers like Honda make it mandatory, things will not change.


The large Mann on my VW hold almost a qt of oil, that's almost 20% why would I want to leave 20% dirty oil in my engine? Mandatory or not, oil goes the filter is going with it. Don't you think those A holes in DC have anything better to do than pass taxes on oil filters?
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#4667472 - 02/16/18 07:19 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1]
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Registered: 11/05/11
Posts: 4734
Loc: MTL, CANADA
Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.
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#4667482 - 02/16/18 07:30 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: Rolla07]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 9092
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.

My local NAPA charges $4.29 for a proselect. I suspect on a healthy engine which oil filter doesn't matter too much, but I'm running FU's for 24-30k km for two OCI's on our beaters, so the filter costs end up the same(although C-tire is creeping up the price). We do 95% hwy so I think I'm good.


Edited by IndyIan (02/16/18 07:32 AM)
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#4667534 - 02/16/18 08:20 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1]
goodtimes Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 2850
Loc: california
Ultra is not at 20k, it's up to 20K. Not even considering all sizes have different holding capacities anyway. Not for me, I want a clean filter to have the least restriction. Honda is only one of many who say a filter can be used twice. My 98 Chrysler said it too. Wait, it says that's not for severe service, which means as little as driving in traffic. Someone here had a 49 Ford manual that said filter can be used twice too. Not a new idea.
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#4667544 - 02/16/18 08:31 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: IndyIan]
4WD Offline


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6366
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.

My local NAPA charges $4.29 for a proselect. I suspect on a healthy engine which oil filter doesn't matter too much, but I'm running FU's for 24-30k km for two OCI's on our beaters, so the filter costs end up the same(although C-tire is creeping up the price). We do 95% hwy so I think I'm good.


I get XG10575 for $5.66 and free shipping

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#4667578 - 02/16/18 08:50 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1]
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Registered: 01/13/13
Posts: 1506
Loc: Texas
New oil / new filter . Cheap insurance .
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#4667606 - 02/16/18 09:10 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: goodtimes]
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Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 7664
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Ultra is not at 20k, it's up to 20K. Not even considering all sizes have different holding capacities anyway. Not for me, I want a clean filter to have the least restriction. Honda is only one of many who say a filter can be used twice. My 98 Chrysler said it too. Wait, it says that's not for severe service, which means as little as driving in traffic. Someone here had a 49 Ford manual that said filter can be used twice too. Not a new idea.
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It's your money. I've ran an Ultra 20K on a clean engine (2 10K OCIs of M1 5W30 EP), the filter looked like it could have gone ANOTHER 20K! As somebody said above, eBay has 6 packs of Ultra for around $30 with free shipping, I've bought several.
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#4667656 - 02/16/18 10:00 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1]
tenderloin Offline


Registered: 12/16/02
Posts: 6521
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
Oil filters are so small on many new vehicles..there is not enough dirty oil left in them to make any difference whether you run them two oil changes especially the ones that are top mounted.

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#4667724 - 02/16/18 10:48 AM Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: 4WD]
IndyIan Offline


Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 9092
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.

My local NAPA charges $4.29 for a proselect. I suspect on a healthy engine which oil filter doesn't matter too much, but I'm running FU's for 24-30k km for two OCI's on our beaters, so the filter costs end up the same(although C-tire is creeping up the price). We do 95% hwy so I think I'm good.


I get XG10575 for $5.66 and free shipping

Amazon? Amazon.ca is bit of a joke so $14.48 is the cheapest for the Focus and I could pay $40+ if i wanted too... crazy
Canadian tire on sale is like $11 so I wait for that and I only need 1 filter per year so there's no point in buying in bulk.
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