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odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market #4667316
02/15/18 11:47 PM
02/15/18 11:47 PM
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Coastal South Carolina
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they seem to have the midrange market in hand, and with the introduction of the ultra 20 k miles at 99% amd $8.87 at waldo mart why would anyone not use the Ultra. you could cut the use time to 12000 or 15000 miles and get rid of messy flter changes- thats what I have done- 4000 to 5000 miles x 3 on dino oil and one fram ultra.

so many posts on here are about Ag suppy at $3.13 vs 4.64 on a Bavarian unknown vs a jobber special at $$3.67.
Why bother? wonder if Fram filter sales are up?


These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1] #4667322
02/15/18 11:56 PM
02/15/18 11:56 PM
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Wet side WA
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Fram Tough Guard .99% meets all my requirements my Corolla will never see a 10K OIC. $6.64

Last edited by JohnnyJohnson; 02/15/18 11:57 PM.

2004 Corolla 124705
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4667387
02/16/18 04:12 AM
02/16/18 04:12 AM
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1/2 hr N.E. of Detroit
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1/2 hr N.E. of Detroit

That filter is good for at least 12K OCIs, in a relatively clean engine.


She's the only sister-in-law I have. But she's not my favorite.
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1] #4667408
02/16/18 06:41 AM
02/16/18 06:41 AM
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Oshawa, Ontario Canada
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Lack of of education about using an oil filter for multiple OCI.

Unless governments impose taxes to make people use filters for multiple OCI or manufacturers like Honda make it mandatory, things will not change.


2015 Grand Caravan SXT Plus 5w-20 PPPP/Fram Ultra Filter
1997 Honda Civic CX 5w-30 Shell Conventional/Fram Ultra Filter
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1] #4667418
02/16/18 06:56 AM
02/16/18 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: edwardh1
they seem to have the midrange market in hand, and with the introduction of the ultra 20 k miles at 99% amd $8.87 at waldo mart why would anyone not use the Ultra. you could cut the use time to 12000 or 15000 miles and get rid of messy flter changes- thats what I have done- 4000 to 5000 miles x 3 on dino oil and one fram ultra.

so many posts on here are about Ag suppy at $3.13 vs 4.64 on a Bavarian unknown vs a jobber special at $$3.67.
Why bother? wonder if Fram filter sales are up?



Well we don't know your vehicle, operational pattern, etc.

But I suspect you can probably take your OCI out with the FCI, and run 12-15k miles on dino and Ultra.
I mean, if you see the value in properly utilizing the FCI extension, then why not the OCI extension?

Do some UOAs and find out!


The act of preventative maintenance, in and of itself, is FAR MORE important than brand/grade/base choices among lubes and filters.
- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
- over maintaining something has never been proven to be anything but a waste of time and money
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: dnewton3] #4667441
02/16/18 07:38 AM
02/16/18 07:38 AM
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Coastal South Carolina
edwardh1 Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
they seem to have the midrange market in hand, and with the introduction of the ultra 20 k miles at 99% amd $8.87 at waldo mart why would anyone not use the Ultra. you could cut the use time to 12000 or 15000 miles and get rid of messy flter changes- thats what I have done- 4000 to 5000 miles x 3 on dino oil and one fram ultra.

so many posts on here are about Ag suppy at $3.13 vs 4.64 on a Bavarian unknown vs a jobber special at $$3.67.
Why bother? wonder if Fram filter sales are up?



Well we don't know your vehicle, operational pattern, etc.

But I suspect you can probably take your OCI out with the FCI, and run 12-15k miles on dino and Ultra.
I mean, if you see the value in properly utilizing the FCI extension, then why not the OCI extension?

Do some UOAs and find out!



youre probably right. we have had in family great luck with 5k dino changes, cars (Japanese) go 140k then give to kids they drive past 200k then sell to someone glad to buy them


These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: JC1] #4667464
02/16/18 08:09 AM
02/16/18 08:09 AM
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MA, Mittelfranken.de
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Originally Posted By: JC1
Lack of of education about using an oil filter for multiple OCI.

Unless governments impose taxes to make people use filters for multiple OCI or manufacturers like Honda make it mandatory, things will not change.


The large Mann on my VW hold almost a qt of oil, that's almost 20% why would I want to leave 20% dirty oil in my engine? Mandatory or not, oil goes the filter is going with it. Don't you think those A holes in DC have anything better to do than pass taxes on oil filters?


ASE L1, Master. Deutsch Meisterbrief.
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1] #4667472
02/16/18 08:19 AM
02/16/18 08:19 AM
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MTL, CANADA
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Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.


2007 Corolla Red Pearl 155k miles
PP 0w20 & ST 4967

Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: Rolla07] #4667482
02/16/18 08:30 AM
02/16/18 08:30 AM
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Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.

My local NAPA charges $4.29 for a proselect. I suspect on a healthy engine which oil filter doesn't matter too much, but I'm running FU's for 24-30k km for two OCI's on our beaters, so the filter costs end up the same(although C-tire is creeping up the price). We do 95% hwy so I think I'm good.

Last edited by IndyIan; 02/16/18 08:32 AM.

07 Focus ZXW, 5spd manual, 210km M1 5W30
18 Outback 2.5 CVT 10km 0W20 "bulk subaru" whatever that is
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1] #4667534
02/16/18 09:20 AM
02/16/18 09:20 AM
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california
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Ultra is not at 20k, it's up to 20K. Not even considering all sizes have different holding capacities anyway. Not for me, I want a clean filter to have the least restriction. Honda is only one of many who say a filter can be used twice. My 98 Chrysler said it too. Wait, it says that's not for severe service, which means as little as driving in traffic. Someone here had a 49 Ford manual that said filter can be used twice too. Not a new idea.
sailing

Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: IndyIan] #4667544
02/16/18 09:31 AM
02/16/18 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.

My local NAPA charges $4.29 for a proselect. I suspect on a healthy engine which oil filter doesn't matter too much, but I'm running FU's for 24-30k km for two OCI's on our beaters, so the filter costs end up the same(although C-tire is creeping up the price). We do 95% hwy so I think I'm good.


I get XG10575 for $5.66 and free shipping

Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1] #4667578
02/16/18 09:50 AM
02/16/18 09:50 AM
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New oil / new filter . Cheap insurance .


Wyr
God bless
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: goodtimes] #4667606
02/16/18 10:10 AM
02/16/18 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Ultra is not at 20k, it's up to 20K. Not even considering all sizes have different holding capacities anyway. Not for me, I want a clean filter to have the least restriction. Honda is only one of many who say a filter can be used twice. My 98 Chrysler said it too. Wait, it says that's not for severe service, which means as little as driving in traffic. Someone here had a 49 Ford manual that said filter can be used twice too. Not a new idea.
sailing
It's your money. I've ran an Ultra 20K on a clean engine (2 10K OCIs of M1 5W30 EP), the filter looked like it could have gone ANOTHER 20K! As somebody said above, eBay has 6 packs of Ultra for around $30 with free shipping, I've bought several.


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 93 GMC C3500 6.2, 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7, 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2)
Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: edwardh1] #4667656
02/16/18 11:00 AM
02/16/18 11:00 AM
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Huntington Beach, CA
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Oil filters are so small on many new vehicles..there is not enough dirty oil left in them to make any difference whether you run them two oil changes especially the ones that are top mounted.

Re: odd with ultr, fram does not have the whole market [Re: 4WD] #4667724
02/16/18 11:48 AM
02/16/18 11:48 AM
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Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Fresh oil and fresh filter, every time smile Just how I role. Napa proselect or OEM. Proselects cost around 3$, so a 5k mile oil change done 5 times is still less than cost of a Fram Ultra. My last oil analysis with a proselect was flawless.

My local NAPA charges $4.29 for a proselect. I suspect on a healthy engine which oil filter doesn't matter too much, but I'm running FU's for 24-30k km for two OCI's on our beaters, so the filter costs end up the same(although C-tire is creeping up the price). We do 95% hwy so I think I'm good.


I get XG10575 for $5.66 and free shipping

Amazon? Amazon.ca is bit of a joke so $14.48 is the cheapest for the Focus and I could pay $40+ if i wanted too... crazy
Canadian tire on sale is like $11 so I wait for that and I only need 1 filter per year so there's no point in buying in bulk.


07 Focus ZXW, 5spd manual, 210km M1 5W30
18 Outback 2.5 CVT 10km 0W20 "bulk subaru" whatever that is
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