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Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) #4667084
02/15/18 06:53 PM
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Hey guys. So today I changed my oil with 6qts of Ultra Platinum and a MC FL-500S. I noticed as others here have, that the bottom of the jug had "debris" brownish color additive fallout.

Does this pose any less protection in my engine?

Car in question: 2013 Ford Edge 3.5 Ti-VCT with 54,000 miles.

What did I lose in this oil change? I plan on using a 7k interval.

Thank you!

Anthony


EDIT: The 5qt jug seemed clean I guess, but the 1qt bottle had the most debris.

Last edited by AntDeek; 02/15/18 06:56 PM.

2013 Ford Edge - 3.5L V6 Ti-VCT
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5W-20 + Motorcraft FL-500S.
Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667091
02/15/18 06:59 PM
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I am using the same oil in my Mazda 3.7 Duratec. However, I shook mine pretty good before pouring...can't say I noticed the same thing. Coming up on 4,000 miles in OCI...planning on 6-7k as well. Wouldn't think anything important was lost in that debris...hopefully someone else can help.

Last edited by mbacfp; 02/15/18 07:14 PM.

2014 F-550 PSD..........M1 Delvac ESP 5w-40 + OEM
2018 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat
2012 Toyota Sienna LTD 3.5L V6
2003 Dodge Durango R/T 4x4 5.9L V8
Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667097
02/15/18 07:05 PM
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Life has lots of deep concerns. But this isn't one of them.


2004 Corolla 124770
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667143
02/15/18 07:43 PM
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I think it might be good to clarify what's being discussed because not only does this topic come up every other week...but we may not be talking about the same thing.

I have a semi-regular instance with PP where there's a brown discoloration at the bottom of the jug that doesn't really shake back into suspension. I was told that this is a by-product of their production cycle and is normal. This is not something falling out of suspension but I'm assuming something you can probably expect to see with at least some regularity with PP and PUP.

I don't know if that's your issue but this topic is so constant that I'm sure even if additives WERE falling out of suspension you don't have much to worry about....

Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #4667162
02/15/18 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Life has lots of deep concerns. But this isn't one of them.


Yep, putting in QSUD 10w30 whenever our monsoon rain stops


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667201
02/15/18 08:32 PM
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AntDeek Offline OP
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I also shook vigorously. The stuff at the bottom seems like a semi liquid sediment. I wish someone from Pennzoil would weigh in on this.

Oddly enough the 5qt bottle was mostly clean. Makes me wonder what additive my sump is missing now.


2013 Ford Edge - 3.5L V6 Ti-VCT
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5W-20 + Motorcraft FL-500S.
Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: 53' Stude] #4667206
02/15/18 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: car51
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Life has lots of deep concerns. But this isn't one of them.


Yep, putting in QSUD 10w30 whenever our monsoon rain stops


LOL well at least it isn't a blizzard Adam.


2004 Corolla 124770
Out: VML 5w-30 TG4967 OCI 5007 Miles
In: EDGE EP 5W-30 Bosch 3311 122537 7-18-18
2006 Duramax 74277
Out: T6 5W-40 M1-303
In: T6 5W-40 XG9100 74705 4-22-18
Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667217
02/15/18 08:46 PM
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I've seen this in every container of PP and PU,but the bottom of every PPHM container I've ever used stays perfectly clean!


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W20

Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667238
02/15/18 09:04 PM
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I first noticed this in a different oil brand years ago. The explanation I got from the company was that the base stock will absorb X amount of additive. To make sure that the oil has the correct amount of additive they add say X.01 amount of additive during the manufacturing process. Thatís the .01 that you see on the bottom of the container. It does little good to shake the container, since that .01 will just end up on the bottom of the oil pan. That was their story, maybe there was an element of marketing in it. Not being a chemist, Iím not sure if itís a standard practice to arbitrarily blend so much additive into a base oil that some of it drops out of solution. Or, maybe some of the additives are not oil soluble, are heavy and drop out of solution so you do need to shake the container. I know this question is repeated regularly and I donít have a definitive answer.

Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667290
02/15/18 10:52 PM
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If additive fallout was a thing then it'd be one of the top concerns on this board. But millions of miles on countless UOAs seem to indicate that additives don't fall out.

So the stuff on the bottom is inconsequential.

Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: aquariuscsm] #4667370
02/16/18 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I've seen this in every container of PP and PU,but the bottom of every PPHM container I've ever used stays perfectly clean!


Ditto!

Never had any issues in any of the synthetics I've used from them- just shake it up and you will be fine!


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Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667381
02/16/18 02:27 AM
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Somewhere in the world, there's an oil formulator who's got the whole world and his dog putting the boot in right now over this issue!

It's almost certainly an additive drop out issue (my money's on Moly) and the fact that it's still happening says to me they can't find a solution to it (no pun intended!).

Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667422
02/16/18 07:01 AM
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This topic comes up a lot. Shake the oil and pour it in, there's nothing wrong with the oil. I've seen it in just about every brand of oil I've used over the past 40+ years, depending on how long the oil sat.


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Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667440
02/16/18 07:37 AM
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For me the proof is how crazy smooth all Pennzoil products run in everything you put them in. I've got a fresh jug of PP waiting for my Accord next oil change and will be going back to PP in my 300ZX next oil change.


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W20

Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek] #4667457
02/16/18 07:58 AM
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Pennzoil makes a good product but they just have not figured out intelligent molecule technology. If you use intelligent molecules, they DON"T "drop out".

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