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#4667084 - 02/15/18 05:53 PM Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck)
AntDeek Offline


Registered: 08/15/15
Posts: 51
Loc: NJ
Hey guys. So today I changed my oil with 6qts of Ultra Platinum and a MC FL-500S. I noticed as others here have, that the bottom of the jug had "debris" brownish color additive fallout.

Does this pose any less protection in my engine?

Car in question: 2013 Ford Edge 3.5 Ti-VCT with 54,000 miles.

What did I lose in this oil change? I plan on using a 7k interval.

Thank you!

Anthony


EDIT: The 5qt jug seemed clean I guess, but the 1qt bottle had the most debris.


Edited by AntDeek (02/15/18 05:56 PM)
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#4667091 - 02/15/18 05:59 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
mbacfp Offline


Registered: 09/02/15
Posts: 837
Loc: California
I am using the same oil in my Mazda 3.7 Duratec. However, I shook mine pretty good before pouring...can't say I noticed the same thing. Coming up on 4,000 miles in OCI...planning on 6-7k as well. Wouldn't think anything important was lost in that debris...hopefully someone else can help.


Edited by mbacfp (02/15/18 06:14 PM)
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#4667097 - 02/15/18 06:05 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
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Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 2761
Loc: Wet side WA
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#4667143 - 02/15/18 06:43 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
Vuflanovsky Offline


Registered: 12/15/14
Posts: 1168
Loc: California
I think it might be good to clarify what's being discussed because not only does this topic come up every other week...but we may not be talking about the same thing.

I have a semi-regular instance with PP where there's a brown discoloration at the bottom of the jug that doesn't really shake back into suspension. I was told that this is a by-product of their production cycle and is normal. This is not something falling out of suspension but I'm assuming something you can probably expect to see with at least some regularity with PP and PUP.

I don't know if that's your issue but this topic is so constant that I'm sure even if additives WERE falling out of suspension you don't have much to worry about....

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#4667162 - 02/15/18 06:59 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: JohnnyJohnson]
car51 Online   content


Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 10257
Loc: Southwest PA
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Life has lots of deep concerns. But this isn't one of them.


Yep, putting in QSUD 10w30 whenever our monsoon rain stops
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#4667201 - 02/15/18 07:32 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
AntDeek Offline


Registered: 08/15/15
Posts: 51
Loc: NJ
I also shook vigorously. The stuff at the bottom seems like a semi liquid sediment. I wish someone from Pennzoil would weigh in on this.

Oddly enough the 5qt bottle was mostly clean. Makes me wonder what additive my sump is missing now.
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#4667206 - 02/15/18 07:37 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: car51]
JohnnyJohnson Offline


Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 2761
Loc: Wet side WA
Originally Posted By: car51
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Life has lots of deep concerns. But this isn't one of them.


Yep, putting in QSUD 10w30 whenever our monsoon rain stops


LOL well at least it isn't a blizzard Adam.
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#4667217 - 02/15/18 07:46 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
aquariuscsm Offline


Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 18177
Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
I've seen this in every container of PP and PU,but the bottom of every PPHM container I've ever used stays perfectly clean!
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#4667238 - 02/15/18 08:04 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
Langanobob Offline


Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 208
Loc: Reno, Nevada
I first noticed this in a different oil brand years ago. The explanation I got from the company was that the base stock will absorb X amount of additive. To make sure that the oil has the correct amount of additive they add say X.01 amount of additive during the manufacturing process. Thatís the .01 that you see on the bottom of the container. It does little good to shake the container, since that .01 will just end up on the bottom of the oil pan. That was their story, maybe there was an element of marketing in it. Not being a chemist, Iím not sure if itís a standard practice to arbitrarily blend so much additive into a base oil that some of it drops out of solution. Or, maybe some of the additives are not oil soluble, are heavy and drop out of solution so you do need to shake the container. I know this question is repeated regularly and I donít have a definitive answer.

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#4667290 - 02/15/18 09:52 PM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
Reddy45 Offline


Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 2973
Loc: USA
If additive fallout was a thing then it'd be one of the top concerns on this board. But millions of miles on countless UOAs seem to indicate that additives don't fall out.

So the stuff on the bottom is inconsequential.

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#4667370 - 02/16/18 12:52 AM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: aquariuscsm]
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Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 16980
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I've seen this in every container of PP and PU,but the bottom of every PPHM container I've ever used stays perfectly clean!


Ditto!

Never had any issues in any of the synthetics I've used from them- just shake it up and you will be fine!
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#4667381 - 02/16/18 01:27 AM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
SonofJoe Offline


Registered: 07/23/16
Posts: 1052
Loc: Europe
Somewhere in the world, there's an oil formulator who's got the whole world and his dog putting the boot in right now over this issue!

It's almost certainly an additive drop out issue (my money's on Moly) and the fact that it's still happening says to me they can't find a solution to it (no pun intended!).

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#4667422 - 02/16/18 06:01 AM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 29789
Loc: NY
This topic comes up a lot. Shake the oil and pour it in, there's nothing wrong with the oil. I've seen it in just about every brand of oil I've used over the past 40+ years, depending on how long the oil sat.
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#4667440 - 02/16/18 06:37 AM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
aquariuscsm Offline


Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 18177
Loc: Dallas,Tx USA
For me the proof is how crazy smooth all Pennzoil products run in everything you put them in. I've got a fresh jug of PP waiting for my Accord next oil change and will be going back to PP in my 300ZX next oil change.
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#4667457 - 02/16/18 06:58 AM Re: Pennzoil Ultra additive fallout!? (@Gena Fishbeck) [Re: AntDeek]
KevinP Offline


Registered: 05/27/13
Posts: 125
Loc: Monroe, WA
Pennzoil makes a good product but they just have not figured out intelligent molecule technology. If you use intelligent molecules, they DON"T "drop out".

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