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#4665666 - 02/14/18 10:41 AM Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus
gofast182 Offline


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 1683
Loc: NJ
I want to replace the Continental run-flat tires on my BMW with regular all seasons. I don't like the loud bangs when hitting certain bumps and the way the car can wander over undulations in the road, these seem to be characteristics of run-flats.

Other than Michelin, which is rather expensive for my purpose, it seems Pirelli has a couple of the top rated tires for the money. Any input on whether I should go with the Cinturato P7 or the P-Zero All Season Plus? Will one be noticeably more comfortable than the other? Would I still feel a noticeable improvement over the run-flats if I go with the P-Zero All Season Plus (which is in a higher performance category but also cheaper than the Cinturato P7)?
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#4665674 - 02/14/18 10:48 AM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
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Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 9933
Loc: OH
225/45R18 size?

Hopefully you mean the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus and not just the regular Cinturato P7. The former would be my choice since it will be much better in winter weather. The P-Zero is an UHP tire or ultimate high performance all season. So not nearly as good in the winter weather. Below is a write up on each tire.

https://tirereviewsandmore.com/pirelli-cinturato-p7-all-season-plus-reviews/

https://tirereviewsandmore.com/pirelli-p-zero-all-season-plus-reviews/



Edited by SatinSilver (02/14/18 10:55 AM)
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#4665678 - 02/14/18 10:54 AM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
Wolf359 Offline


Registered: 04/27/12
Posts: 4647
Loc: MA
I didn't think Michelin was that much more over Pirelli. Continental and Michelins seem to be the favorites on Mercedes. I got a set of Michelin A/S 3+ at Costco recently. They always seem to have $70 off and it seems every month or so they have a 1 cent installation sale so after the $70 off and 4 cent installation, it's not that bad. You get free rotation and balancing too. Plus they have a 5 year road hazard warranty, tire rack only gives you 2 years.

Most people do seem to hate the ride of a run flat so don't blame you for getting rid of them, but what will you do for a spare?

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#4665682 - 02/14/18 10:59 AM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: SatinSilver]
gofast182 Offline


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 1683
Loc: NJ
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
225/45R18 size?

Hopefully you mean the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus and not just the regular Cinturato P7. The former would be my choice since it will be much better in winter weather. The P-Zero is an UHP tire or ultimate high performance all season. So not nearly as good in the winter weather. Below is a write up on each tire.

https://tirereviewsandmore.com/pirelli-cinturato-p7-all-season-plus-reviews/

https://tirereviewsandmore.com/pirelli-p-zero-all-season-plus-reviews/


Yes, I did mean Cinturato All Season Plus, thank you.
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#4665689 - 02/14/18 11:04 AM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
SatinSilver Offline


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Loc: OH
The Nokian eNTYRE 2.0 is out of stock currently. But they might be able to order it for you and it qualifies for the DTD $100 rebate. $145/tire before rebate. A good option if you don't need it right away.

Otherwise the Pirelli will be a fine tire and prob a little better than the Nokian.


https://www.discounttiredirect.com/buy-tires/nokian-tire-entyre-2-0/p/25086


Edited by SatinSilver (02/14/18 11:13 AM)
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#4665695 - 02/14/18 11:08 AM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
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Registered: 06/28/05
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Loc: Massachusetts
In my 25 years of driving the best tire I have ever owned were the Cinturato P7's ASP that I put on my last car a 2012 Audi A6. So I am voting for them!
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#4665746 - 02/14/18 11:53 AM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
gofast182 Offline


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 1683
Loc: NJ
Thanks for the replies.

Re: a spare, I'm going to take my chances. I've never had an actual blow out and when you hit the right pothole the right way and it sounds like an explosion at the front of the car, it seems like a chance worth taking. I have access to roadside support and typically travel within a <30mi radius of home.

Re: winter performance, it's not super important to me. I have AWD and in NJ we seldom go more than a few hours when roads aren't passable with an all-season tire.

Re: price, I can get the P-Zero AS Plus for $149/ea. at Mavis or $159/ea with a rebate from discounttiredirect.com. The Cinturato P7 AS Plus seems to be coming in around $170+/ea across the board.
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#4665773 - 02/14/18 12:20 PM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
14Accent Offline


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Loc: MN
What about the Continental Pure Contact? I'd take those over Pirelli's.
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#4665784 - 02/14/18 12:28 PM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
gofast182 Offline


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 1683
Loc: NJ
I'm not enamored with Continental. We had a defective set on a CR-V we used to have and the run-flats on this BMW, even if they're doing what they should, leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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#4665787 - 02/14/18 12:29 PM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
SatinSilver Offline


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 9933
Loc: OH
Conties are very good esp the Pure Contact but I prefer the Pirelli's any day.

Conties seem to wear fast and there have been issues with their sidewalls being toast after hitting a pothole or being driven a short distance with a low/flat tire. Black powder inside the tire is present which means time to replace.
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#4665841 - 02/14/18 01:29 PM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
motts Offline


Registered: 06/19/09
Posts: 183
Loc: ny
I agree that Continental tires have awful sidewalls.Have seen many with bubbles separated belts and they seem to be very thin

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#4666036 - 02/14/18 04:41 PM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
slacktide_bitog Offline


Registered: 03/20/08
Posts: 6001
Loc: USA
Don't forget about the Bridgestone Driveguard, a run-flat that's actually supposed to be decent.

But if you're shopping for all-season tires, and can't use separate winter tires, consider something with the 3-peak sign, such as:
Vredestin Quatrac 5
Goodyear Weatherready
Toyo Celsius
Michelin CrossClimate
Nokian WRG3 (will be replaced with the new WRG4 soon)

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#4667914 - 02/16/18 02:39 PM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
gofast182 Offline


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 1683
Loc: NJ
Ordered the Cinturato P7 All Season Plus from discounttiredirect.com. They price-matched another site so I got the tires for $140/ea and then Pirelli has a $70 rebate from 2/16-3/12. Feels like I got the deal of the century.

The tires will arrive Tuesday, I'll have them mounted by next weekend and report back.
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#4677347 - 02/25/18 08:26 AM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
nutdriver Offline


Registered: 12/30/06
Posts: 12
Loc: Kansas
I hope you have better luck than I did with a set of 4 Pirelli P7 A/S I purchased from Tirerack for my Jetta. After three balancing attempts and two with roadforce they still vibrated at road speed. Ultimately, Tirerack was great to deal with and the tires were replaced. Certainly the reviews were excellent so perhaps I just had a bad batch. First balance effort resulted in the following weight being used. Slightly better with roadforce but not great. Switched to Continental PureContact with EcoPlus Technology SL. They are decent tires but not giving me very impressive wear. They will be shot at 55,000 with easy driving on my Jetta TDI

Standard Balance 1st attempt

* Lt Rear 4.5 oz
* Rt Rear had 6.5 oz
* Lt Front 3 oz
* Rt Front 4 oz

Best Roadforce Balance results -

* Lt Rear balanced with 3.75 oz
* Rt Rear balanced 2.25 oz
* Lt Front balanced 1.25 oz
* Rt Front balanced 3.75 oz

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#4679755 - 02/27/18 02:35 PM Re: Runflat to Cinturato P7 or P-Zero All Season Plus [Re: gofast182]
gofast182 Offline


Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 1683
Loc: NJ
Well I have the tires on the car. The place I had them installed is about a block from my house and in that extremely short drive I could already feel a difference. What an improvement! The ride is so much more comfortable. Minor imperfections in the road fade into the background and hitting a larger bump now results in a "thud" instead of a "bang". Steering is less darty, too. Don't have enough miles on them to comment on ultimate grip level but it almost doesn't matter given how much more comfortable they are.

Interesting post above, I do have a rather bad imbalance; however, I am running 5mm spacers that a buddy gave me on the rear. They created an imbalance when I initially put them on with the OE Conti's. I'm going to remove them and see if that does the trick (hopefully).

Great experience with discounttiredirect.com.
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