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How bad is this? Frame Rust #4664836
02/13/18 02:04 PM
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zues50 Offline OP
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Was working on replacing the Cats, on a new to me used truck and saw this.... sad part was it was all painted and looked nice underneath when i bought it...i had it krowned and all the paint came off, and i'm assuming whatever they had covering this whole came off too. How much do you think a shop will charge to repair?



Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664845
02/13/18 02:13 PM
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That is bad and could easily end up being much much worse! I wont get into how to repair it or estimate how much it would cost as we don't have any idea how thin the frame is in other places buy have not gone through yet.
Unload that thing!


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664846
02/13/18 02:13 PM
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That looks pretty bad..... I would imagine it is punky all around that area as well.


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664852
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Originally Posted By: zues50
2007 f150 5.4


^ Is this the truck we're talking about?

Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664865
02/13/18 02:35 PM
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Anytime there's a hole in your frame it's generally time to retire the vehicle, or I guess repair it if that's even cost-effective.

Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664887
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The Motor City
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Why would one area selectively rust through? Is this a low point n a boxed frame, where moisture can collect?

They had this problem with the 1955 Ford, where the frame would rust out right behind the rear axle. It was fixed with the 1956 model year when they made the frame with drain holes.

Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664889
02/13/18 02:59 PM
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I'm a semi mechanic. I know modern semi truck frames are not to be welded nor drilled. Good luck finding anyone willing to fix it. Maybe a shop on the bad side of town will.

I would NOT wanna be in a front end collision in that truck. That rust and lack of frame structure can really turn things ugly if someone runs into you... .


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: skyactiv] #4664894
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Originally Posted By: skyactiv
I'm a semi mechanic. I know modern semi truck frames are not to be welded nor drilled. Good luck finding anyone willing to fix it. Maybe a shop on the bad side of town will.

I would NOT wanna be in a front end collision in that truck. That rust and lack of frame structure can really turn things ugly if someone runs into you... .


Looks to me like the spot right where the front wheel tosses up stuff, below where the cab meets the frame and gets heated by the exhaust manifold. I think the AC condenser drips in this area as well, exasperating the issue.


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: OVERKILL] #4664903
02/13/18 03:24 PM
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I would be taking a pointed hammer to every area of that frame. If its a clean low miler then a summer or winter project to replace the frame, they are not that expensive and believe it or not its not that big of a job.
If its tired unload for parts or repair but by all means declare the issue or you could be sued otherwise.


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664911
02/13/18 03:30 PM
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Northeastern Vermont
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Take a hammer and start taping from that hole back and see how far that frame rust goes. Go through the entire frame. Here in Vermont alot of people are familiar with this issue. I believe every vehicle can have issues. Way to many frame openings from the manufacturing of the frames. Either for options that the vehicle does not even have or tie downs when transporting. What I have done with my 02 jeep and my 2010 mountaineer was to use 3M aluminum body tape and close off all the holes except for one in the front and one in the back for air circulation then cover the tape with undercoat to keep the tape on. Been on the jeep for 6 years with a solid frame. The mountaineer 1 1/2 years but not driven in winter.


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664926
02/13/18 03:48 PM
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Buffalo, NY
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Agree on all the above advice. How is the rest of the truck? My experience with Ford trucks is the body generally goes first, but everyone's mileage will vary there.


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664940
02/13/18 04:15 PM
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Not sure where you are located in PA. There is an Amish fellow in Oxford, Pa who has a diesel powered welder and a big sheet metal brake. He can do wonders with a frame like this, providing it is not too far gone. If you get repairs done, I suggest a heavy coat of Fluid Film yearly. PM me if you need info.

Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664981
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If the rest of the truck is solid, then its time for a new frame. If not, you lost, and its time to part it out.

Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4664985
02/13/18 05:05 PM
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The frame rails on my 96 Cherokee were way worse than that, as well as having no floors left. Body was spotless. A local shop fabricated new frame rails, new floor pans and undercoated it for $1500. Took about a month.


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Re: How bad is this? Frame Rust [Re: zues50] #4665010
02/13/18 05:40 PM
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Trade it in or junk it.

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