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Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA #4664802
02/13/18 01:18 PM
02/13/18 01:18 PM
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OK, so I know this is not a "PCMO/HDEO" VOA but there's not a spot for additives. There is a VERY old VOA of Lubegard Bio/Tech on the board, and there have been comments here that the Heavy Duty may or may not be the same, and may or may not have esters etc. I know VOA won't show esters but maybe the TBN/TAN numbers will give some insight. I figured it would be something to help shake off the winter doldrums! smile

The sample is getting dropped off at Blackstone this Thursday hopefully to have results by EOB Friday. I've got some other details that will get posted with the VOA. Sorry for any false excitement since the VOA isn't here just yet.

Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4664803
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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4664875
02/13/18 02:45 PM
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I only use the "Heavy Duty Engine Protectant" in my Honda Accord. Every OCI gets a nice dose.

Here's the LG product I use: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006HI8H90/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4665104
02/13/18 06:58 PM
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I like it!!
Thank you.


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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4665329
02/13/18 10:13 PM
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Cool. I am using the Biotech (and red, and also got the gear oil for some diff and MT changes coming up) in our cars and will also look for this when it comes.

A buying tip: If you use this stuff regularly, one way to get a good price is to set up price alerts on Camelcamelcamel.com (Amazon price monitoring site). The prices go way up and down constantly. I set up a price alert for when it nears typical price bottoms and then buy a year's supply of what I need at that time. I then having it sitting on the shelf ready to go and usually $8/$10 quart cheaper than if I just order it the week before an oil change or when I run out.

Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4672367
02/20/18 07:40 PM
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Ok so here is the VOA! First off, credit where it is due: major props to Ryan and his peeps at Blackstone, who after minimal scientific prodding agreed to run this VOA on the house for the good of the board. I know some members have (what I consider to be mainly unfounded) concerns about Blackstone’s calibrations, I don’t know of any other oil lab that runs samples for the good of the order! Thanks Ryan and the Blackstone team! Now onto the VOA- holy moly, calcium, and phosphorus! Oh my! smile

Thoughts?




Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4672373
02/20/18 07:44 PM
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BTW it was my fault for the delay- I didn’t get to drop this off until Monday evening just before COB, and like clockwork, Blackstone had results waiting by the time I got off work Tuesday afternoon. Great service!

Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4672586
02/20/18 11:02 PM
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I need a bottle of that in my truck good golly miss moly!


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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4672797
02/21/18 08:17 AM
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Kudos to Blackstone! I've used the product on and off over the years. What I like is their moly is not MOS2 according to a conversation I had with the maker of the product.


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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4675303
02/23/18 09:53 AM
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To the math guys here what would the actual increase in moly and zinc be in 5 quarts of oil. Example If oil has 100 ppm of moly and 300 ppm of zinc what would this additive add if you used per their instructions. Thanks Guys


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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4675469
02/23/18 12:38 PM
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it all depends on your sump capacity and the amount you add. for 5 quarts, there are 160 ounces. if you add the recommended 3oz/qt you'd get about 9.375% of the benefit of the full Lubegard. So, assuming you have 5 quarts and remove 15 ounces of motor oil and add 15 oz of Lubegard HD, you would see a boost of 229ppm moly, 13.8ppm boron, 183ppm calcium, and 336ppm of zinc. Other volumes would result in slightly different boosts.

Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4675522
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SubieRubyRoo Thank you very much for the info. Looking at the VOA and not knowing the math makes it look like one heavy load of moly-zinc when in reality it's equal to or a little less the most top oil's add just super concentrated. Again thank you for the explanation.


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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4675721
02/23/18 05:39 PM
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I currently have this in my Odyssey at the recommended rate, with a low-additive D1G2 approved Citgo synthetic (Harvest King 5w30). I think we can all agree that if my UOA shows stellar results (statistically different than previous UOAs) that it is the additive’s effect. If the UOA comes back identical, then at best, the Lubegard did not hinder the oil. This is the first D1G2 oil in my van, previous two OCIs were Pennz Plat Euro 0w40, so just maintaining that performance will be impressive in my book since the oil is $10 plus about $10 in additive. I will say the ol’ J35A7 does feel smoother at highway speeds with the HK/LG combo but is slightly noisier under hard acceleration compared to the PPE. Mileage is up about 50 miles per tank, or about 1%, after going back to a thinner oil.

Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4676716
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
I currently have this in my Odyssey at the recommended rate, with a low-additive D1G2 approved Citgo synthetic (Harvest King 5w30). I think we can all agree that if my UOA shows stellar results (statistically different than previous UOAs) that it is the additive’s effect. If the UOA comes back identical, then at best, the Lubegard did not hinder the oil. This is the first D1G2 oil in my van, previous two OCIs were Pennz Plat Euro 0w40, so just maintaining that performance will be impressive in my book since the oil is $10 plus about $10 in additive. I will say the ol’ J35A7 does feel smoother at highway speeds with the HK/LG combo but is slightly noisier under hard acceleration compared to the PPE. Mileage is up about 50 miles per tank, or about 1%, after going back to a thinner oil.


I'll be looking forward to your UOA.


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Re: Lubegard Heavy Duty Engine Protectant VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #4677889
02/25/18 04:52 PM
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With that much phosphorus and so little zinc, the phosphorus is mostly from tricresyl phosphate (TCP) rather than ZDDP. Interesting VOA. Thanks for posting it.

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