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#4664009 - 02/12/18 02:56 PM Do Police Crusiers need to be changed
CourierDriver Offline


Registered: 12/27/09
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http://www.lencoarmor.com/law-enforcement/

Here are some interesting police vehicles that could be used by local law enforcement in lieu of a standard sedan.----use when responding to many types of calls..ex--domestic calls and shots fired calls anywhere...IMHO

Maybe all police cruisers should be heavy duty,, since the public has become unruly in many cities...
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#4664019 - 02/12/18 03:07 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
http://www.lencoarmor.com/law-enforcement/

Maybe all police cruisers should be heavy duty,, since the public has become unruly in many cities...


All? I support LEO's 110% but we don't need paramilitary police/government soldiers patrolling the public.

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#4664020 - 02/12/18 03:08 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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Most major Cities already have one of those. I know San Diego does as well as Los Angeles. I do business with the guy that maintains the one here in San Diego.
Seen it in his shop many times.
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#4664021 - 02/12/18 03:09 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: gfh77665]
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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
http://www.lencoarmor.com/law-enforcement/

Maybe all police cruisers should be heavy duty,, since the public has become unruly in many cities...


All? I support LEO's 110% but we don't need paramilitary police/government soldiers routinely patrolling the public. Can you imagine a child in distress and needing help and trying to interact? Way too intimidating. Police should not be "unapproachable"

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#4664029 - 02/12/18 03:19 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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As I recall, there were many surplus MRAPS that the US military did not want to bring back from afghanistan or iraq or something like that. I read that these were offered to police in the US but they did not take them, or very many of them.

They probably have high maintenance costs with all of the special parts, much higher than a passenger vehicles. Although, I think the MRAPS use a similar drivetrain to an armoured car like the dudes who pick up the cash from banks drive. Maybe that level of protection just is not needed.
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#4664032 - 02/12/18 03:23 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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The Bearcats in the original post cost about a million dollars each. Most large cities already own them for their SWAT teams. They are not affordable for smaller agencies. And in fact, agencies can get a military surplus MRAP for free. So that's a good choice to outfit a SWAT team in rural America, at limited cost to the taxpayers.

Military surplus MRAP, free to local agencies from the feds
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#4664037 - 02/12/18 03:26 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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General public is typically only unruly and needing SWAT/military-style intervention in cities/urban areas where large majorities have the hand-out, "gimme" mentality. In smaller cities where a large percentage is typically a hardworking population, this disrespect/disregard for authority and private property does not seem to be present to such a degree.

I'll leave you to the history books to determine for yourself which cities I am talking about, since I know we are supposed to avoid the "politics" side of these discussions even though the boot fits. Police forces should not be interchangeable with a standing army, and should not be equipped like they are an occupying force. If and when a situation arises that requires more than a handful of officers equipped with pistols and shotguns, we already have the appropriate tools for those incidents as well. It's called the National Guard.

Too many times these days we are willing to lie down and submit to insanity, rather than stand up for what made this country great historically. The paramilitary police officer is an invention of the past 30+ years, created against the fabric of our history, as our morals have been belittled and our liberties trampled. Just say no!


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#4664055 - 02/12/18 03:45 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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The fact is most police agencies would rarely have a use for them. But agencies could and now can again get them cheaply if not for free.
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#4664058 - 02/12/18 03:47 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: SubieRubyRoo]
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Originally Posted By: SubieRubyRoo
General public is typically only unruly and needing SWAT/military-style intervention in cities/urban areas where large majorities have the hand-out, "gimme" mentality. In smaller cities where a large percentage is typically a hardworking population, this disrespect/disregard for authority and private property does not seem to be present to such a degree.

I'll leave you to the history books to determine for yourself which cities I am talking about, since I know we are supposed to avoid the "politics" side of these discussions even though the boot fits. Police forces should not be interchangeable with a standing army, and should not be equipped like they are an occupying force. If and when a situation arises that requires more than a handful of officers equipped with pistols and shotguns, we already have the appropriate tools for those incidents as well. It's called the National Guard.

Too many times these days we are willing to lie down and submit to insanity, rather than stand up for what made this country great historically. The paramilitary police officer is an invention of the past 30+ years, created against the fabric of our history, as our morals have been belittled and our liberties trampled. Just say no!



I read an article that discussed how officers have become less approachable by wearing dark, paramilitary uniforms. Apparently the old school western state trooper uni of tan and a cool drill instructor hat makes the cops less villified.

Here in Toronto, the police were called to the jobsite a few months ago. An officer arrived and she was wearing pink epaulettes on a navy paramilitary uniform complete with tactical vest, oh the dichotomy. Their hats are the coolest, I do not understand why you would rock a toque or a ball cap when you can wear a cool military style hat that commands respect.
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#4664059 - 02/12/18 03:47 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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Just thought the vehicles may stop some of the ambush killings of police officers in neighborhoods,, Ohio just last week had a few officers killed. Mayberry in the Andy Griffith Show left America a long time ago-- unfortunately, the nation has gotten crazy, and yes some police officers have made bad decisions when using force...but a lot of them are good officers...
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#4664061 - 02/12/18 03:49 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: maxdustington]
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Posts: 3893
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: maxdustington


They probably have high maintenance costs with all of the special parts, much higher than a passenger vehicles. Although, I think the MRAPS use a similar drivetrain to an armoured car like the dudes who pick up the cash from banks drive. Maybe that level of protection just is not needed.


Jay Leno drove a LAPD-supplied MRAP and mechanically it's the same as a Ford F450/550 but the body can withstand being shot at by most handguns and rifles(unless there's armor-piercing rounds). It's thirsty, the visibility ain't that great and it handles like well... a tank. Leno had a blast driving it but it's not practical except for SWAT and rescue/recon operations.

The bigger concern for a law enforcement agency is what's going to replace the Ford Taurus/Explorer Police Interceptors and Chevy Caprice since Ford is killing off the Taurus platform and Holden building in Oz is no more(and GM probably wants to kill off the Impala). The Charger is making inroads again with the police, we'll see how the CHP likes them.

I think the Terramax is awesome...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV51BGIzkwU


Edited by nthach (02/12/18 03:52 PM)

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#4664077 - 02/12/18 04:03 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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Registered: 08/12/11
Posts: 3183
Loc: Chicago,IL,USA
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
http://www.lencoarmor.com/law-enforcement/

Here are some interesting police vehicles that could be used by local law enforcement in lieu of a standard sedan.----use when responding to many types of calls..ex--domestic calls and shots fired calls anywhere...IMHO

Maybe all police cruisers should be heavy duty,, since the public has become unruly in many cities...

You used to be a trucker...
Do you understand the bill for gas/other fuel and some parts?
Who do you think is going to pay?

Hint: it is still you ==> the taxpayer
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#4664083 - 02/12/18 04:13 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
raytseng Offline


Registered: 12/11/08
Posts: 2333
Loc: CA
yea in many so called bad urban areas, the push is for the officers do community outreach and walk the beat. Protect and serve, this is the complete opposite. Maybe some short term gains but you lose the whole neighborhood and community by walling yourself off behind armor.

However, if this company wants to sell it go for it. If a police dept feels they need one they can buy it. What's dumb is us armchair Quarterbacks thinking we knoe whats best for the specific needs of the actual depts.

Unless you've dedicated years either in actual practice or you are a dedicated law enforcement academic who's published scientific journals, we have no idea


Edited by raytseng (02/12/18 04:17 PM)

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#4664087 - 02/12/18 04:21 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 808
Loc: Deltona, FL USA
We have one of those Bearcat turds at our Sheriff's Office. V-10, expensive and slow. Rated for a .50 Cal. Yeah, the gas cap cover is 1/16 inch steel. A API round will make it go boom. Should have gone diesel, but "it's too noisy to sneak up on a warrant breach." We could have purchased an MRAP for 1/3 the cost and done the same job.
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#4664095 - 02/12/18 04:33 PM Re: Do Police Crusiers need to be changed [Re: CourierDriver]
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Only civilians outside the military should have armored vehicles.


Edited by Vern_in_IL (02/12/18 04:34 PM)
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