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Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? #4663535
02/12/18 07:04 AM
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RyanY Offline OP
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I just changed oil in both my vehicles yesterday (4k OCI for the Cad 3.6 and 5k OCI for the Honda Odyssey). The Cad had Penn Plat HM 5W30 and the Honda had Penn Plat 0W20. Both vehicles had Fram Ultra filters that were changed at the last OC. The oil was very dark and thick in both vehicles; if I understand correctly, dark thickened oil indicates it is contaminated and time for a change. This was quite surprising, given that Penn Plat has always looked pretty good after 5k. The only new item last OC was the Fram Ultra. Does anyone have any ideas as to why the oil deteriorated so rapidly, and if there is anything I can do to prolong the life of the oil? I am fine with 5k OCI, but want to make sure I shouldn't be going with shorter OCI.


2007 Cadillac CTS 3.6L >117k miles (Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 + AC Delco filter)

2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L >93k miles (Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 + Fram Ultra filter)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663541
02/12/18 07:09 AM
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Without a UOA you don't know any condition of the oil.

Color of oil means NOTHING as well


09' Camry LE, 141,020 miles

PP 5w30 and TG 4967
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663543
02/12/18 07:10 AM
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Northern Ontario, Canada
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What's the daily drive cycle on these vehicles? I know short cycles and extreme cold trashed some PP after 3,000 miles in our G5, but you're in the south. The filter cartridge was so sludged, it had collapsed.

Last edited by Danno; 02/12/18 07:12 AM.

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Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663544
02/12/18 07:11 AM
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You are mistaken that dark oil automatically means the oil has deteriorated. I think the oil is doing some cleaning and is holding the stuff in suspension as it is designed to do. To confirm the oil condition youwill need to do an UOA. Ed


CX5 Touring 2.5L :-)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: 53' Stude] #4663545
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RyanY Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: car51
Without a UOA you don't know any condition of the oil.

Color of oil means NOTHING as well


That would have been a good idea, but I already dumped it at the recycle station.


2007 Cadillac CTS 3.6L >117k miles (Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 + AC Delco filter)

2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L >93k miles (Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 + Fram Ultra filter)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: Danno] #4663546
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RyanY Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Danno
What's the daily drive cycle on these vehicles?


The Honda generally gets about 10 mile trips, several times a day. The Cad gets short 1-2 mile trips several times a day.


2007 Cadillac CTS 3.6L >117k miles (Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 + AC Delco filter)

2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L >93k miles (Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 + Fram Ultra filter)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663547
02/12/18 07:13 AM
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Danno Offline
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Originally Posted By: RyanY
Originally Posted By: Danno
What's the daily drive cycle on these vehicles?


The Honda generally gets about 10 mile trips, several times a day. The Cad gets short 1-2 mile trips several times a day.


Short trips are not kind on oil. I did edit my original post for clarity.


2016 Sorento SX V6 AWD
2015 KIA RIO SX
2010 Mazda 3 2.0L
2009 Venza V6 AWD
2013 Sonata 2.4L RIP in write-off crash
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663550
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It was just getting broken-in. You threw out the best part of its life-cycle.

Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663553
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The land of USA-made Subies!
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Ryan, you need to get at least one good extended drive per week on each vehicle to get the oil up to temp and cook off any entrapped water or fuel. My wife's Odyssey had some white emulsion under the cap and in the oil fill hole because she drives only about 2.5 miles twice per day- took it on a 4-hour round trip, and all the white stuff was gone. A couple days later, after her short tripping resumed, I followed up and found some more emulsion. I fully expect to change this oil sooner than the summer fill since I know it's had water in it.

Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: 53' Stude] #4663556
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Originally Posted By: car51
Without a UOA you don't know any condition of the oil.

Color of oil means NOTHING as well


Hang on ... who is looking at the oil? My son has been changing oil in a 2013 Pentastar at 5k ... normally dark brown and thin. While doing the rear gear oil ... we checked the hood. The same magnatec was extremely black and very thick... but with only 3k...Going to dealership in the am ... well see ...


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Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663565
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Syn oil is a waste on short trippers where the oil change interval negates any syn oil advantage.


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663593
02/12/18 08:13 AM
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Even SC got a bit chilly this winter. Id write it off to the cooler temps you saw and not worry about it.

SF

Last edited by Snagglefoot; 02/12/18 08:29 AM.

If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: 4WD] #4663606
02/12/18 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: car51
Without a UOA you don't know any condition of the oil.

Color of oil means NOTHING as well


Hang on ... who is looking at the oil? My son has been changing oil in a 2013 Pentastar at 5k ... normally dark brown and thin. While doing the rear gear oil ... we checked the hood. The same magnatec was extremely black and very thick... but with only 3k...Going to dealership in the am ... well see ...


Its freezing in Houston this morning. Cold weather starts causes more fuel contamination because the engine runs rich until it warms up. It was a pretty cold winter this year.


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: Snagglefoot] #4663613
02/12/18 08:40 AM
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RyanY Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Even SC got a bit chilly this winter. Id write it off to the cooler temps you saw and not worry about it.

SF


It certainly did get cold this winter. That, along with short trips, could explain why both cars had the thickened oil. Hopefully won't see cold weather again!


2007 Cadillac CTS 3.6L >117k miles (Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 + AC Delco filter)

2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L >93k miles (Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 + Fram Ultra filter)
Re: Pennzoil Platinum + Fram Ultra - spent after 4k??? [Re: RyanY] #4663617
02/12/18 08:44 AM
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Some engines just darken the oil more.
It's extremely fine particles of carbon/soot. Too small for the filter to catch.
Carbon's not very abrasive generally, so dark oil doesn't automatically mean more wear.
You can tell a lot more about an oil by rubbing it between your fingers than by looking at it.

Last edited by circuitsmith; 02/12/18 08:45 AM.

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