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#4663103 - 02/11/18 03:32 PM Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 436
Loc: Indiana
Well we went with a Bosch 900 series Dishwasher to replace our junk 2 year old Maytag with a fatal flaw, a design defect that will ruin you cabinents and possibly harbor mold.

ALL Maytag/Kitchenaid/Whirlpool and some Kenmore dishwashers that do not have a steam vent have this issue. This is not something that breaks, but a poor design that creates issues from day one.

Basically the steam is supposed to condense on the stainless steel tub and the condensed water will run down the drain. What happens though is that some steam escapes from the fill port on the left hand side of the dishwasher. This fill port is not sealed, and easily allows steam to escape.

Maytags "fix" for this is to put a plastic sheet between the cabinet and the dishwasher to protect the cabinet. The problem is that does nothing to keep the moisture out of the cabinet and insulation. It is a bandaid that creates new issues.

When I pulled out the dishwasher, which had been in service two years, to investigate a faulty grinder pump is when I discovered the moisture issue. All the rust spots are from the clamp that got rusty from all the moisture. Keep in mind its all dried out now, it was a wet mess when I pulled it out originally.

There are brand new 1000 dollar kitchenaids at lowes that have the same defective design.

Look at all the moisture damage. When I originally pulled it out the insulation was wet, you can see the water stains on the plastic. I originally thought it was the black fill hose leaking so I put another clamp on it. This was not the issue. Steam comes out of the top of the little grey fill box.

The BOSCH clean extremely well, and is extremely quiet. so far, we love it. Time will tell how it holds up.

***Note-I tried to get the pictures rotated so they display correctly. No matter what I do the result is a sideways picture. This is the only site I have trouble with, I even tried uploading one of these to another site as a test and they were fine. No sure what I am doing wrong....










Here we can see the elaborate condensate trap on the bosch dishwasher. Most if not all of the condensate is returned to inside the unit, there is an "overflow" but it is funneled down into the pan under the dishwasher. I will be pulling it out in a month to make sure there are no issues with moisture on the bosch unit. I will update.








Edited by 5AcresAndAFool (02/11/18 03:42 PM)

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#4663108 - 02/11/18 03:34 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
greenjp Offline


Registered: 05/19/04
Posts: 1307
Loc: Germantown, MD
Pretty wild the junk that gets peddled. Note, they peddled similarly junky stuff in the past, it's just that the only old stuff that's left was good to begin with so we don't see the junk.

Anyhow, curious how you settled on the 900 series Bosch. In my admittedly limited research I couldn't find a whole lot about them that represented a big jump in performance over the basic 300 series.

jeff

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#4663111 - 02/11/18 03:36 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
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Registered: 07/26/04
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Loc: Middlesex County CT
Any class action activity on that design flaw?
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#4663116 - 02/11/18 03:39 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
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Loc: Indiana
And my $1000 3yo LG washer started leaking this weekend. Appliances suck. You used to be able to buy one, put it in and forget about it for 20 years. No more.
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#4663125 - 02/11/18 03:46 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: greenjp]
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 436
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: greenjp
Pretty wild the junk that gets peddled. Note, they peddled similarly junky stuff in the past, it's just that the only old stuff that's left was good to begin with so we don't see the junk.

Anyhow, curious how you settled on the 900 series Bosch. In my admittedly limited research I couldn't find a whole lot about them that represented a big jump in performance over the basic 300 series.

jeff


I wanted to go with a Meile, but there are no dealers, or repair people near us. So we went with the Bosch because it sounds like its the best of the worse as far as reliability goes. Plus it doesn't appear to have any major design defects.

I know two family members that have had Bosch dishwashers and loved them with no issues. So we will see....

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#4663126 - 02/11/18 03:46 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: Indydriver]
Astro14 Offline


Registered: 10/10/10
Posts: 8616
Loc: Virginia Beach
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
And my $1000 3yo LG washer started leaking this weekend. Appliances suck. You used to be able to buy one, put it in and forget about it for 20 years. No more.


If it's a front-loader, check the gasket itself. Our $1,000 LG developed a leak just after the warranty ran out. It was the gasket. About $75.

Problem solved...for 7 more years...still working well today. Even good equipment gets a bad part once in a while...
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#4663129 - 02/11/18 03:47 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: Indydriver]
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 436
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
And my $1000 3yo LG washer started leaking this weekend. Appliances suck. You used to be able to buy one, put it in and forget about it for 20 years. No more.


The thing is I could put up with something breaking. It shouldn't but it does. What gets me is the terrible design of the maytag, and the fact they are still making a junk design. I cant tolerate moister being dumped into an enclosed space.

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#4663141 - 02/11/18 03:58 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: Indydriver]
4WD Online   confused


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6555
Loc: Texas
Guy down the street just rolled an LG (just one) to curb - but had sign reading “come get both for free”


Edited by 4WD (02/11/18 03:59 PM)

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#4663154 - 02/11/18 04:04 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
4WD Online   confused


Registered: 09/21/10
Posts: 6555
Loc: Texas
That yucks ... my Kenmore Elite is over a decade old and zero issues with it or 5 other stainless KE machines we got during a remodel ...
Odds of that is pretty slim these days

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#4663157 - 02/11/18 04:06 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
knerml Offline


Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 492
Loc: NE Ohio
I love Bosch dishwashers.

From experience, Whirlpool/Kitchenaid/Maytag appliances are junk.
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#4663165 - 02/11/18 04:11 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 436
Loc: Indiana



Here's the damage it did to our cabinet. I remove the damaged veneer as best as I could and used kilzs and painted over everything.

There have been many noted the issues of this by different people on the interwebs. The thing is I think a lot of these dishwashers with this faulty design that are installed have not been taken out yet and it's the sort of a problem that hides you wouldn't necessarily notice it unless you pull the dishwasher out for some reason.

I wouldn't have known there was an issue unless I pulled it out to work on the defective grinder pump.

I'm in the process of contacting Maytag but from what I've heard other people that contacted them they offer a fix which is basically a plastic sheet to cover the cabinet.

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#4663170 - 02/11/18 04:13 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
JustinH Offline


Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 5204
Loc: Texas
I put in a base model Whirlpool stainless dishwasher. Glad it has the vent in the front.
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#4663171 - 02/11/18 04:14 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
Mr Nice Offline


Registered: 09/12/04
Posts: 21364
Loc: Orlando, FL
With so many problems, why not just was your dishes by hand ?

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#4663173 - 02/11/18 04:19 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: 5AcresAndAFool]
edwardh1 Offline


Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 2998
Loc: Coastal South Carolina
bosch are not without problems, mine and a relatives also is always wet inside the door after the cycle , even in the morning after sitting from bedtime to dawn- *but wet in the dishwasher" not on the cabinet side.
you also have to turn it off after it runs (open door, push off button), which I think is really stupid design- most other dishwashers just time out..

Had mine worked on twice by a bosch approved tech, could not fix it, when you turn it on it pumps out, stops then says clean. we have used an internet workaround - let it fill, open door, turn it off, wait,turn it on, close door then it runs the cycle ok. the bosch imho are too complicated like some things german and techs can not fix them even tho it works for the factory manuals test steps but does not work when you start it.

dont know what to buy when it dies


Edited by edwardh1 (02/11/18 04:19 PM)
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#4663179 - 02/11/18 04:22 PM Re: Bosch Dishwasher replaced our junk Maytag [Re: knerml]
5AcresAndAFool Offline


Registered: 12/18/16
Posts: 436
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: knerml
I love Bosch dishwashers.

From experience, Whirlpool/Kitchenaid/Maytag appliances are junk.


So far I love what I see just the way it's the sign it's obvious much more thought went into it than the whirlpool,Kenmore or Maytag,KitchenAid junk.

There is a pan underneath so if any of the components did leak it will go into that pan and there's a float switch little shut off the machine if it gets any water under it.

And in general the way that the hoses and everything hook up and are routed is much nicer than the old Maytag.

I'm not sure how they made tag acentos for $500 r but so far the more expensive Bosch dishwashers are a winner in my book

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