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#4662710 - 02/11/18 09:43 AM Pennzoil & SN Plus
Danh Offline


Registered: 10/16/10
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Noticed on the Pennzoil website that Pennzoil now says its dexos1Gen2 oils are “SN Plus Ready”, and will be labeled as such at the earliest allowed date: May 2018.

It makes sense that oil makers would not reformulate separate oils to meet d1G2 and SN PLus, but Pennzoil,is the first I’ve seen to make the SN Plus claim.

I can unspderdtand why non-GM OEMs wouldn’t specify dexos1Gen2 as a standard even if it were beneficial, but it will be interesting to see how quickly they jump on the SN Plus bandwagon. And if SN Plus allows engines to be tuned to better fuel economy, will any OEM back-spec it with an accompanying software update? Probably not, but we can dream...

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#4662724 - 02/11/18 09:56 AM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
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Nice find!
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#4662731 - 02/11/18 10:01 AM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
bbhero Offline


Registered: 03/20/15
Posts: 4635
Loc: Virginia
Like Wemay said. . Good work thumbsup

I do think if a oil is Dexos gen 2 approved it very, very likely exceeds API SN+. Thus there would be no need to do that for those Dexos gen 2 approved oils.


Edited by bbhero (02/11/18 10:02 AM)
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#4662736 - 02/11/18 10:07 AM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
RiotGrip Offline


Registered: 10/08/05
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Saw the same thing on the Quaker State UD page yesterday.

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#4662920 - 02/11/18 12:34 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
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"unspderdtand"?

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#4663117 - 02/11/18 03:39 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
Insertcoolname Offline


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Quaker state SN PLUS
Both pennzoil and QS say sn plus ready for a while now
I check websites A LOT for deals
Waiting for quaker to put something out...
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#4663195 - 02/11/18 04:41 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: CharlieBauer]
Danh Offline


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Originally Posted By: CharlieBauer
"unspderdtand"?

grin


Everybody’s a critic...

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#4665945 - 02/14/18 03:16 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
GenaFishbeck Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 213
Loc: Houston, TX
Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team

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#4666002 - 02/14/18 04:13 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: GenaFishbeck]
Danh Offline


Registered: 10/16/10
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Originally Posted By: GenaFishbeck
Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team


Gena, thanks for monitoring comments on this board. But a question many here have wondered about: why does Pennzoil formulate its oils on the “thin”side? Platinum 5w-30, for example, is just a few centistokes from being a 20-weight oil @ 100C.

Those of us with direct injection engines prone to fuel dilution may want to start with higher viscosity to preserve a bit more after the inevitable dilution occurs. For me at least, this takes most Pennzoil products off the table and pushes me into the welcoming arms of Mobil1. Thanks.

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#4666042 - 02/14/18 04:45 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24620
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Not to answer for Pennzoil, but it's better to pay attention to HTHS, generally speaking. Where it counts, most ILSAC 5w-30 options are more similar than dissimilar.
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#4666251 - 02/14/18 08:53 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Garak]
Danh Offline


Registered: 10/16/10
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Loc: .
Originally Posted By: Garak
Not to answer for Pennzoil, but it's better to pay attention to HTHS, generally speaking. Where it counts, most ILSAC 5w-30 options are more similar than dissimilar.


Fair enough, but most PDS are silent on HTHS. And if anything is said a 20-weight will almost surely say >2.6, 2.6 or 2.7, so nothing to really distinguish one product from another. UOAs don’t measure HTHS, so the only method we users have to evaluate whether used oil stayed in grade is kinematic viscosity.

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#4666262 - 02/14/18 09:03 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
zeng Offline


Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 2190
Loc: Malaysia
Just curious would SN plus have more stringent engine test requirements than D1 G2 ?

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#4666271 - 02/14/18 09:13 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
twj348 Offline


Registered: 02/14/18
Posts: 7
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: GenaFishbeck
Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team


Gena, thanks for monitoring comments on this board. But a question many here have wondered about: why does Pennzoil formulate its oils on the “thin”side? Platinum 5w-30, for example, is just a few centistokes from being a 20-weight oil @ 100C.

Those of us with direct injection engines prone to fuel dilution may want to start with higher viscosity to preserve a bit more after the inevitable dilution occurs. For me at least, this takes most Pennzoil products off the table and pushes me into the welcoming arms of Mobil1. Thanks.


One benefit of Pennzoil Platinum is that is doesn't shear to a lighter viscosity as easily as other oils. Oil analysis of this oil in turbo direct-injection Subarus shows no thinning at all (aside from any thinning caused by fuel dilution).

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#4666448 - 02/15/18 06:41 AM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 1905
Loc: GA.
The new Pennzoil synthetic DEXOS 1 Gen 2 oils are designed to hold up to fuel dilution and reduce sheering ! A thin 30W in this case is ideal in the Gen 2 formulation which I currently run in my 2017 DI Sonata with good results . NOACK must be really low as the dipstick level has NOT budged in over 2,500 miles ... I would use the PP 5W30 in a DI engine rated for 20W or 30W oil with confidence - think of it as a "heavy" 20W oil without being susceptible to fuel dilution . I have 2,500 miles on this PP 5W30 DEXOS 1 Gen 2 oil and the dipstick has not budged !
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: GenaFishbeck
Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team


Gena, thanks for monitoring comments on this board. But a question many here have wondered about: why does Pennzoil formulate its oils on the “thin”side? Platinum 5w-30, for example, is just a few centistokes from being a 20-weight oil @ 100C.

Those of us with direct injection engines prone to fuel dilution may want to start with higher viscosity to preserve a bit more after the inevitable dilution occurs. For me at least, this takes most Pennzoil products off the table and pushes me into the welcoming arms of Mobil1. Thanks.
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#4667095 - 02/15/18 06:02 PM Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh]
Garak Offline


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 24620
Loc: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: Danh
Fair enough, but most PDS are silent on HTHS.

An ILSAC 30 will almost certainly have an HTHS of roughly 3.0 +/- 0.1. Of course, if we're relying on UOAs and their kinematic viscosity, it would be best to have a VOA for the product in question from the same lab.
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