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Pennzoil & SN Plus #4662710
02/11/18 09:43 AM
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Danh Offline OP
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Noticed on the Pennzoil website that Pennzoil now says its dexos1Gen2 oils are “SN Plus Ready”, and will be labeled as such at the earliest allowed date: May 2018.

It makes sense that oil makers would not reformulate separate oils to meet d1G2 and SN PLus, but Pennzoil,is the first I’ve seen to make the SN Plus claim.

I can unspderdtand why non-GM OEMs wouldn’t specify dexos1Gen2 as a standard even if it were beneficial, but it will be interesting to see how quickly they jump on the SN Plus bandwagon. And if SN Plus allows engines to be tuned to better fuel economy, will any OEM back-spec it with an accompanying software update? Probably not, but we can dream...

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4662724
02/11/18 09:56 AM
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Nice find!


18 Sportage 2.4L AWD: Mobil1 Annual Protection 5W20 + Mobil1-104A + e air WIX10335
13 Santa Fe Sport 2.0T: Pennzoil Platinum 10W30 + FRAM XG9688 + e air WIX49670

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4662731
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Like Wemay said. . Good work thumbsup

I do think if a oil is Dexos gen 2 approved it very, very likely exceeds API SN+. Thus there would be no need to do that for those Dexos gen 2 approved oils.

Last edited by bbhero; 02/11/18 10:02 AM.

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Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4662736
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Saw the same thing on the Quaker State UD page yesterday.

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4662920
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"unspderdtand"?

grin


It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that ain't so.

- mistakenly attributed to Mark Twain
Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4663117
02/11/18 03:39 PM
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Quaker state SN PLUS
Both pennzoil and QS say sn plus ready for a while now
I check websites A LOT for deals
Waiting for quaker to put something out...


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Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: CharlieBauer] #4663195
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Danh Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: CharlieBauer
"unspderdtand"?

grin


Everybody’s a critic...

Big thumbs, small keyboard, spell check on holiday.

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4665945
02/14/18 03:16 PM
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Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: GenaFishbeck] #4666002
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Danh Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: GenaFishbeck
Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team


Gena, thanks for monitoring comments on this board. But a question many here have wondered about: why does Pennzoil formulate its oils on the “thin”side? Platinum 5w-30, for example, is just a few centistokes from being a 20-weight oil @ 100C.

Those of us with direct injection engines prone to fuel dilution may want to start with higher viscosity to preserve a bit more after the inevitable dilution occurs. For me at least, this takes most Pennzoil products off the table and pushes me into the welcoming arms of Mobil1. Thanks.

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4666042
02/14/18 04:45 PM
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Not to answer for Pennzoil, but it's better to pay attention to HTHS, generally speaking. Where it counts, most ILSAC 5w-30 options are more similar than dissimilar.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Garak] #4666251
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Danh Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Garak
Not to answer for Pennzoil, but it's better to pay attention to HTHS, generally speaking. Where it counts, most ILSAC 5w-30 options are more similar than dissimilar.


Fair enough, but most PDS are silent on HTHS. And if anything is said a 20-weight will almost surely say >2.6, 2.6 or 2.7, so nothing to really distinguish one product from another. UOAs don’t measure HTHS, so the only method we users have to evaluate whether used oil stayed in grade is kinematic viscosity.

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4666262
02/14/18 09:03 PM
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Just curious would SN plus have more stringent engine test requirements than D1 G2 ?

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4666271
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Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: GenaFishbeck
Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team


Gena, thanks for monitoring comments on this board. But a question many here have wondered about: why does Pennzoil formulate its oils on the “thin”side? Platinum 5w-30, for example, is just a few centistokes from being a 20-weight oil @ 100C.

Those of us with direct injection engines prone to fuel dilution may want to start with higher viscosity to preserve a bit more after the inevitable dilution occurs. For me at least, this takes most Pennzoil products off the table and pushes me into the welcoming arms of Mobil1. Thanks.


One benefit of Pennzoil Platinum is that is doesn't shear to a lighter viscosity as easily as other oils. Oil analysis of this oil in turbo direct-injection Subarus shows no thinning at all (aside from any thinning caused by fuel dilution).

Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4666448
02/15/18 06:41 AM
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The new Pennzoil synthetic DEXOS 1 Gen 2 oils are designed to hold up to fuel dilution and reduce sheering ! A thin 30W in this case is ideal in the Gen 2 formulation which I currently run in my 2017 DI Sonata with good results . NOACK must be really low as the dipstick level has NOT budged in over 2,500 miles ... I would use the PP 5W30 in a DI engine rated for 20W or 30W oil with confidence - think of it as a "heavy" 20W oil without being susceptible to fuel dilution . I have 2,500 miles on this PP 5W30 DEXOS 1 Gen 2 oil and the dipstick has not budged !
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: GenaFishbeck
Hey there Danh,

We're glad you noticed the change. You are correct in that we will be expecting the first use date to be this May. Stay tuned!

Thanks,
Gena & The Pennzoil Team


Gena, thanks for monitoring comments on this board. But a question many here have wondered about: why does Pennzoil formulate its oils on the “thin”side? Platinum 5w-30, for example, is just a few centistokes from being a 20-weight oil @ 100C.

Those of us with direct injection engines prone to fuel dilution may want to start with higher viscosity to preserve a bit more after the inevitable dilution occurs. For me at least, this takes most Pennzoil products off the table and pushes me into the welcoming arms of Mobil1. Thanks.


2017 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L GDI 4 cylinder
2010 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 4 cylinder
2007 Kia Sedona 3.8L 6 cylinder
Re: Pennzoil & SN Plus [Re: Danh] #4667095
02/15/18 06:02 PM
02/15/18 06:02 PM
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Garak Offline
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Originally Posted By: Danh
Fair enough, but most PDS are silent on HTHS.

An ILSAC 30 will almost certainly have an HTHS of roughly 3.0 +/- 0.1. Of course, if we're relying on UOAs and their kinematic viscosity, it would be best to have a VOA for the product in question from the same lab.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, NAPA Gold 7356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
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