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Gas To Liquid motor oils #4661622
02/10/18 08:03 AM
02/10/18 08:03 AM
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South Dakota
otis24 Offline OP
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Is GTL technology proprietary? Have other manufacturers considered offering GTL motor oils or is this just a Pennzoil thing? All other additive considerations aside, how much benefit does GTL offer over other synthetics other than "purity"?

Last edited by otis24; 02/10/18 08:05 AM.

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Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4661627
02/10/18 08:11 AM
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There are tons of patents on it. But, patent pending or not, it's ungodly expensive to build such a facility capable of making the base oil. Costing billions of dollars in places you don't wanna live.


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Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4661631
02/10/18 08:17 AM
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Great Lakes
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XOM has GTL, too. It's not just Pennzoil thing.


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Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4661789
02/10/18 11:07 AM
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Gas to liquids technology has been around a long time (versions of it existed in World War II.) I believe the fiirst large development was in Qatar. The real goal was to make diesel fuel, but you can’t market diesel for a price higher than the competitive price of diesel, just two to three bucks a gallon. The Shell/ Penzoil chemists realized with a bit of molecular building they could make motor oil which they could sell for 20-30 dollars per gallon.

At one time the oil companies were seriously considering GTR technology as a way to sell natural gas currently land locked in Alaska.

SF


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Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: Snagglefoot] #4661800
02/10/18 11:15 AM
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Texas
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http://petrowiki.org/Gas_to_liquids_(GTL)

Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4661803
02/10/18 11:16 AM
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Tennessee, United States
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Which XOM base oil is a GTL? I've never heard of this before.

Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4661806
02/10/18 11:18 AM
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It has long been in the chain of petrochemical processes ending in numerous final/midstream products …

Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4661811
02/10/18 11:21 AM
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Also, what is the difference in the chemical structure of GTLs and PAOs? They are both synthesized hydrocarbons.

Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: ZraHamilton] #4661865
02/10/18 12:17 PM
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Quote:
Which XOM base oil is a GTL? I've never heard of this before.


Mobil 1, ever hear of it?
Some of the M1 offerings have or are GTL based.
They seems to be willing to switch back and forth
with it though. Perhaps the volume of sales may
exceed the supply of GTL produces.

My 2¢


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Too big of a battery,
Too large of a gas tank,
or too loud of a horn,
or too bright headlights.
Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: dwendt44] #4661870
02/10/18 12:22 PM
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Texas
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Think it was 0w40 but with the Vette thing going to be a mix of GIV/GIII/GV

Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: 4WD] #4661933
02/10/18 01:24 PM
02/10/18 01:24 PM
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Waco, TX
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
It has long been in the chain of petrochemical processes ending in numerous final/midstream products …


Yes, even though it hasn't "commonly" been used to make motor oil, it's been a standard in the petrochemical industry for decades.


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: ZraHamilton] #4661935
02/10/18 01:25 PM
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Waco, TX
Linctex Offline
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Originally Posted By: ZraHamilton
Also, what is the difference in the chemical structure of GTLs and PAOs? They are both synthesized hydrocarbons.


I asked this question a few weeks ago, and no one (that frequents this forum) really truly knows.

Gotta find a petro-chem engineer to answer that one


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4662045
02/10/18 03:41 PM
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Idaho
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It seems to keep the parts separated.


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Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4662070
02/10/18 04:15 PM
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M1 0w30 uses a good dose of gtl along with pao and giii

Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24] #4662077
02/10/18 04:20 PM
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Here is good information on the performance of GTL relative to other oils.
Link

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