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#4661622 - 02/10/18 07:03 AM Gas To Liquid motor oils
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Is GTL technology proprietary? Have other manufacturers considered offering GTL motor oils or is this just a Pennzoil thing? All other additive considerations aside, how much benefit does GTL offer over other synthetics other than "purity"?


Edited by otis24 (02/10/18 07:05 AM)
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#4661627 - 02/10/18 07:11 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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There are tons of patents on it. But, patent pending or not, it's ungodly expensive to build such a facility capable of making the base oil. Costing billions of dollars in places you don't wanna live.
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#4661631 - 02/10/18 07:17 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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XOM has GTL, too. It's not just Pennzoil thing.
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#4661789 - 02/10/18 10:07 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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Gas to liquids technology has been around a long time (versions of it existed in World War II.) I believe the fiirst large development was in Qatar. The real goal was to make diesel fuel, but you can’t market diesel for a price higher than the competitive price of diesel, just two to three bucks a gallon. The Shell/ Penzoil chemists realized with a bit of molecular building they could make motor oil which they could sell for 20-30 dollars per gallon.

At one time the oil companies were seriously considering GTR technology as a way to sell natural gas currently land locked in Alaska.

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#4661800 - 02/10/18 10:15 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: Snagglefoot]
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http://petrowiki.org/Gas_to_liquids_(GTL)

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#4661803 - 02/10/18 10:16 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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Which XOM base oil is a GTL? I've never heard of this before.

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#4661806 - 02/10/18 10:18 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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It has long been in the chain of petrochemical processes ending in numerous final/midstream products …

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#4661811 - 02/10/18 10:21 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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Also, what is the difference in the chemical structure of GTLs and PAOs? They are both synthesized hydrocarbons.

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#4661865 - 02/10/18 11:17 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: ZraHamilton]
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Quote:
Which XOM base oil is a GTL? I've never heard of this before.


Mobil 1, ever hear of it?
Some of the M1 offerings have or are GTL based.
They seems to be willing to switch back and forth
with it though. Perhaps the volume of sales may
exceed the supply of GTL produces.

My 2¢
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#4661870 - 02/10/18 11:22 AM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: dwendt44]
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Think it was 0w40 but with the Vette thing going to be a mix of GIV/GIII/GV

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#4661933 - 02/10/18 12:24 PM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: 4WD]
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Registered: 12/31/16
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Loc: Waco, TX
Originally Posted By: 4WD
It has long been in the chain of petrochemical processes ending in numerous final/midstream products …


Yes, even though it hasn't "commonly" been used to make motor oil, it's been a standard in the petrochemical industry for decades.
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#4661935 - 02/10/18 12:25 PM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: ZraHamilton]
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Originally Posted By: ZraHamilton
Also, what is the difference in the chemical structure of GTLs and PAOs? They are both synthesized hydrocarbons.


I asked this question a few weeks ago, and no one (that frequents this forum) really truly knows.

Gotta find a petro-chem engineer to answer that one
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#4662045 - 02/10/18 02:41 PM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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It seems to keep the parts separated.
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#4662070 - 02/10/18 03:15 PM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
spj Offline


Registered: 10/14/17
Posts: 62
Loc: north east
M1 0w30 uses a good dose of gtl along with pao and giii

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#4662077 - 02/10/18 03:20 PM Re: Gas To Liquid motor oils [Re: otis24]
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Here is good information on the performance of GTL relative to other oils.
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