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Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? #4661524
02/10/18 12:55 AM
02/10/18 12:55 AM
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Virginia
NSG Offline OP
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Virginia
Wanted to ask the question. I'm replacing the valve cover gasket on my 01' Ranger which has about 185k miles on it. Just doing maintance and other things so figured why I am doing injectors/plugs...etc. Might as well change the gasket since everything is apart. Plus gives me the chance to paint the valve cover.

Anyways, this is what the inside looks like. I can get a better picture. Seems to be coated in varnish. NOTE that there is ZERO sludge... anywhere. Just coated. Should I try a different oil or clean it with other products running through the system? I've heard people say seafoam it but honestly I think that stuff is a probably snake oil.

I have been using Valvoline high mileage 5e30 for probably 5+ years and changed it every 5k miles along with motor-craft filter.

Just wanted some thoughts. If all appears normal and this isn't a problem then I will button it up once I am done with everything and continue to do what I've been doing...etc.




Thanks,
-Nigel


~NSG~
Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661526
02/10/18 01:03 AM
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Waco, TX
Linctex Offline
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Originally Posted By: NSG
my 01' Ranger which has about 185k miles... Seems to be coated in varnish. NOTE that there is ZERO sludge...

Just wanted some thoughts. If all appears normal and this isn't a problem


Yes, Nigel - after 185,000 that is to be expected. Nothing at all out of the ordinary.

The Ford "Lima" engine is pretty TOUGH.
Yours looks like brand new compared to some I have seen!!


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661537
02/10/18 02:07 AM
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South OZ
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Wouldn't worry and keep driving. I am guessing you have not owned it from new? It can be avoided with frequent enough oil changes. Could have been one owner going too long on several changes with the cheapest oil they could find. Without sludge though, pretty harmless.

Don't bother with the "cleaning" products. Not worth the time and effort or money.


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Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: Linctex] #4661561
02/10/18 03:26 AM
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San Antonio, TX
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Yes, Nigel - after 185,000 that is to be expected. Nothing at all out of the ordinary.


That's not true at all. With frequent enough oil changes, varnish can be completely avoided and the engine looking like new inside.

Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: das_peikko] #4661574
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Campbellsville, KY
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Originally Posted By: das_peikko
That's not true at all. With frequent enough oil changes, varnish can be completely avoided and the engine looking like new inside.


It can be, with highway driving and particularly good maintenance, but what I see there isn't anything to worry about at all. If the engine's running well otherwise, gettng good mileage, and the PCV works correctly, motor on.


To quote a friend, "Synthetics, man."

'85 GMC C3500, 454, 132K
'82 Mercedes 300CD, OM617 turbo, 173K (totaled 2018, in rehab)
'85 Mercedes 300TD, OM617 turbo, 217K (wife's)
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Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661575
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Tasmania, Australia
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Put it back together and keep driving.


MY16 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.2 diesel, 56,000km - Castrol 5w30
2006 Ford Falcon 4.0, 138,000km - Penrite Vantage 15w40, Ryco filter
Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661578
02/10/18 05:02 AM
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Balearic Islands , Spain
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That is absolutely fine and you have nothing to worry about, put it back together and drive.


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Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661594
02/10/18 06:00 AM
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Indiana
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5k with Maxlife blend. This is arguably a good oil with conservative OCI's.

Not that it's bad, but I am not seeing a benefit of using this over conventional?

If you are concerned, step it up to full synthetic. NAPA, ST, M1 or SOPUS (w/ rebates.)


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 202k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 186k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
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Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661596
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Eastern Seaboard
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Varnish is harmless, and most motor oil will leave some especially considering when it was made. Nice truck.

Put back together and enjoy.

Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661598
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NY
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From the distant shot it looks like light varnish. For 185K miles it's fine. Slap it back together and drive it.


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Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661605
02/10/18 06:31 AM
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Don't think of it as varnish. Think of it as a nice Amber "patina".


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(3.6 V6) 46500 miles
Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661623
02/10/18 07:04 AM
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A thin coat of that can't be a problem. However, with supershort 5k oci I would expect less. Maybe check the PCV system to make sure there is good ventilation of excessive fumes in there.

Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661629
02/10/18 07:15 AM
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Well your photo is from about 5 feet away...

But it looks fine. Nothing wrong with a nice Amber tint - consider it seasoned.


"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead."
Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: lars11] #4661630
02/10/18 07:15 AM
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Occupied Virginia
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Originally Posted By: lars11
A thin coat of that can't be a problem. However, with supershort 5k oci I would expect less. Maybe check the PCV system to make sure there is good ventilation of excessive fumes in there.

Really? a 5K OCI on a 17 year old truck is considered 'supershort'?

Re: Changing valve gasket on Ranger. Varnish? [Re: NSG] #4661632
02/10/18 07:19 AM
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out there
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Don't see a problem here. 185k and a little varnish? Will only be a problem in your mind. Drive on. If it bothers you, Kreen it. But sometimes trying to clean with additives can cause leaks internal or external in a engine that age. I'd just drive on!


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