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1999 Accord with 191k Miles #4660558
02/09/18 05:11 AM
02/09/18 05:11 AM
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NJ, USA
RyanGreener Offline OP
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Hello everyone. I'm new here and I've done a lot of research but I'd like to ask here anyway. I recieved a 1999 Accord for free with 191k miles and it has an unknown maintenance history, but actually, it seems like it was surprisingly well maintained. I've done a few replacements of parts and this thing runs like a champ, but when I did the valve cover gasket/valve adjustment job I noticed it was sorta dirty in there. Also, it uses half a quart per 2500 miles. My goal is to spend as little money on this car as possible (which has worked great actually) but I figure if I'm doing routine maintenance (oil changes) I can try something that might help pep it up. I also have recieved Gumout Fuel Additive and Seafoam for free (notice the theme I'm going for here? FREE!) This was the plan I had to cover all my bases:

1) Seafoam brake booster line + crank case at around 200 miles before my next OCI. Gumout additive on a full tank before my OCI (400 miles before probably)
2) Changing oil to a oil with high cleaning ability (HDEO like Rotella T6 or Pennzoil Ultra) + Spark Plug Change (it needs plugs)
3) Next Oil change after would be either Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage/Pennzoil Conventional High Mileage

Then from there on out do whatever. What do you all think? I know there's debates of seafoam in the crank case but I don't care about this motor too much for the most part but I figure I might as well try to see what all the fuss is about. This is my fun experimental car to be honest (new motors for this thing sell for 300 bucks so I'm not worried)

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660561
02/09/18 05:28 AM
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Uhmmm, before doing any Seafoam through the brake booster & crankcase(do this as a last case), try changing the PCV as this alone may help/aid in reducing the oil consumption. Otherwise,(and I'm not joking) for 191K miles, 1/2 qt of oil every 2500 miles isn't too bad "in my honest opinion"(IMHO).

If you want to run the Gumout through the fuel system via the gas tank, this probably won't hurt. However, what Gumout is it?... All-in-One, Regane, what?

You don't want to open a can of worms either by doing too much. Ask here first(which you are doing) and get a concesis.


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Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: Char Baby] #4660568
02/09/18 05:54 AM
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RyanGreener Offline OP
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I've already changed the PCV valve/valve cover gasket. It COULD be the valve seals too, but currently this winter I'm too lazy to do that. I'm running 5W-20 right now which is on the ligher side (I hear these motors were spec'd to 5W-30 in the past). Also, it is Gumout Multi System tuneup. Got it for free so I figured I might as well try it. It seems to be one of those things that helps, or does nothing. (Haven't seen any reports of adverse effects)

Just trying to experiment with this car because I'd like to have an idea what to do in the future with other beaters I acquire. I have 3 cars so if this car pops it's no problem (plus I paid nothing for it)

Last edited by RyanGreener; 02/09/18 06:03 AM.
Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660589
02/09/18 07:01 AM
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I would run Pennzoil Platinum 5w30 from here on out, it should help clean up the motor over time. I personally wouldn't bother with seafoam through the brake booster or crankcase. The weak link on this generation is the auto transmission. I would do 3 drain and refills via the drain plug with Honda ATF DW-1.


2012 Honda Accord EX-L K24z3
54,xxx miles
PPPP 0w20 / Fram Ultra

2014 VW Jetta SE 1.8T ea888
40,xxx miles
Castrol OEM dealer fill / OEM filter
Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660595
02/09/18 07:18 AM
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Please pay attention to the timing belt, it can be a killer if the goes south. The original oil spec is 5W30 and oil consumption at that mileage isn't unusual especially when driven in hilly country with lost of off throttle time.
Smoky


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Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660602
02/09/18 07:42 AM
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I was just about to mention the timing belt..

I am in a similar situation-acquired a 2000 Accord for next to nothing. I have done a ton of maintenance, including the timing belt. RockAuto sells the complete kit with water pump. You will need the crank tool to remove the crank pulley bolt.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/auto...mp;gclsrc=aw.ds

Make this a priority, if the belt brakes you will bend valves, possibly damage pistons, etc.

I can link you to a good video on doing the job later.

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660605
02/09/18 07:43 AM
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Skip the sea foam. Pennzoil Platinum (Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage is also a wonderful oil) and enjoy your new car! Also do the transmission fluid,break fluid,power steering fluid,and coolant drain/refill. drive


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 5W20

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660606
02/09/18 07:44 AM
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NJ, USA
RyanGreener Offline OP
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Thanks for all the heads up guys. I have this free seefoam/gumout stuff just laying around with no use. I was itching to experiment but I guess it's a waste of time anyway.

Surprisingly this auto transmission is doing fine with the occasional slips from 1-2 when I'm "on the throttle" and above 3000 RPM. I'm going to clean the solenoids and drain/refill with Honda Fluid in the Spring.

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660611
02/09/18 07:58 AM
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Friend had a 1999 Accord V6 EX. Trans destroyed itself at 99K while driving real easily on a 40 mph road DURING A TEST DRIVE.

And the prospective buyer CAME BACK after we had the trannie fixed. That was 2006.

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: aquariuscsm] #4660612
02/09/18 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Skip the sea foam. Pennzoil Platinum (Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage is also a wonderful oil) and enjoy your new car! Also do the transmission fluid,break fluid,power steering fluid,and coolant drain/refill. drive


Was doing some research last night and have concluded that I'll be switching to PPHM for both my vehicles.

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: Kira] #4660626
02/09/18 08:21 AM
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RyanGreener Offline OP
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To be fair, I knew the old couple where I got this car from and this car was dealership maintained. The maintenance is unknown to me, but it's known to them (they have all the records). I don't feel like asking them for the records because honestly, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with this car. I wonder if they had the trans rebuilt/replaced during their ownership.

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660641
02/09/18 08:52 AM
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If your looking for more pep -- change the spark plugs ASAP. Also, when doing your drain & refills with Honda Automatic fluid -- add a bottle of Lube Guard Red on your last drain/refill. I personally have had good results using the Lube Guard Red in older auto transmissions. Another vote to skip the Seafoam in the brake booster or crankcase. Run acouple short 2-3000 mile intervals using cheap SN rated conventional with a cheap filter like Super Tech and then proceed to a 5W30 High Mileage oil with a great filter like a Fram Ultra. Good luck & keep us posted on your updates.


Dale


2017 VW Jetta SE TSI 1.4L Turbo (hers)
M1 Euro 0W40 & FU (19K)
2008 Acura TL 3.2L PPPP 0W20 & FU (108K)
2005 Subaru Baja AWD 2.5L N/A 5spd.
Rotella T6 5W30 & Wix (91K)
2000 Ram 4X4 5.2L (93K) PYB & FU
Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660643
02/09/18 08:54 AM
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I had a 98 Special Edition..same car for the most part.

If someone gave it to me for free not knowing the history here is what i would do..

Inspect brakes all the way around
Inspect Radiator (i think there was an issue with these in my model) they leak around the top due to the plastic.
Inspect Timing Belt- there should be an inspection plate
Inspect Belts
Inspect PCV (be careful the hose will be brittle unless someone has changed it, prepare to buy a new hose).

If i planned on keeping it awhile-
Plugs and wires
Transmission Fluid- Valvoline Maxlife Dex/Merc
Inspect motor mounts and suspension (if original suspension keep an eye on the tires).

If you are itching to use your Gumout and Seafoam do it before your plug and oil change.

Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: RyanGreener] #4660680
02/09/18 09:31 AM
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What engine? The four cylinder is an F series motor... they're without a doubt one of Honda's most reliable engines. If it's the V6 they're almost as bullet proof, but as others have said the auto transmission will eventually become a problem.

If it's the 2.3L, that automatic is about as bulletproof as the engine.

Originally Posted By: RyanGreener
Also, it uses half a quart per 2500 miles.


That's actually really low for an F motor, and about normal for the V6. Nothing to worry about. Especially if you're using 5w20.

I think you're on the right track with running a quality high mileage 5w30. Both my F-motor Accords were high mileage (the 95 was over 320K km and the 99 was at 255k) and if I didn't use a high mileage oil, I'd go through 2 quarts over a 5000km OCI. The high mileage stuff kept that around a quart over the same interval.

Originally Posted By: RyanGreener
Surprisingly this auto transmission is doing fine with the occasional slips from 1-2 when I'm "on the throttle" and above 3000 RPM.

Originally Posted By: RyanGreener
To be fair, I knew the old couple where I got this car from and this car was dealership maintained. The maintenance is unknown to me, but it's known to them (they have all the records). I don't feel like asking them for the records because honestly, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with this car. I wonder if they had the trans rebuilt/replaced during their ownership.


I'm sorry to say, but if it's the V6 transmission and it's already slipping it's a matter of time before it gets worse or catastrophically fails. The fact that it's an older couple is probably the only reason it's still working!

It might be worth asking them about it. I can't imagine they've had the trans rebuilt already, though. It's at the mileage where most of them start coming apart.

There's lots of info out there about the process though, as it was so common with them.

EDIT: And as Smoky pointed out, if you can't get any info about the timing belt from the previous owners, INSPECT IT ASAP. The J series engines (and most older Honda belt engines in general) are very picky about their timing belt maintenance and spec 60k miles for severe duty, 100k miles for non severe service. Pull the cover off and make sure the belt seems in good shape. If it seems worn, cracked, or damaged in any way, have the belt replaced as soon as you possibly can. If the belt lets go, your valves will be introduced to your pistons in short order. mad

Last edited by JimmyD; 02/09/18 09:37 AM.

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Re: 1999 Accord with 191k Miles [Re: JimmyD] #4660691
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I assumed it was the 4cylinder due to him saying he replaced the valve cover gasket..not gaskets.. and he said he adjusted the valves..which the 6cyl would be a real bear to do.

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