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Compare ADBVs #4660294
02/08/18 08:00 PM
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iunderpressure Offline OP
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Has anyone compared ADBVs in oil filters? Does anyone have filters you avoid because you've had a bad experience with their ADBV? I always use a filter with a silicone ADBV and use to prefer Champ Labs upper end filters. I liked their tight ADBV, that always looked like they sealed very well.


2009 Ford Crown Vic Police Interceptor
302,000 miles
Valvoline Maxlife Full Synthetic 5w30
Motorcraft FL-820-S oil filter

Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: iunderpressure] #4660321
02/08/18 08:23 PM
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I avoid oil filters that use combination ADBV & BPV design, or combo valves for short. This includes Champ Labs manufactured ecore design as well as Wix manufactured installer grade filters with combo valves. I have not had ADBV function last for even a 3K mile oil change with either design of combo valve, and even had a Wix style wind up cockeyed in service dragging against the mounting nipple during removal, bypassing for who knows how much of that FCI.


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Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: iunderpressure] #4660338
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Purolator Boss (and the older Purolator Synthetic) ADBV's tear around the base plate

Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: slacktide_bitog] #4660414
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Purolator Boss (and the older Purolator Synthetic) ADBV's tear around the base plate


Not all. More than one post of a PSL24651 on here without a torn ADBV, and the one I used kept oil above it when removed.


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Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: iunderpressure] #4660418
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A silicone ADBV is always better ... so why not go for it?

Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: iunderpressure] #4660425
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I'll take a nitrile ADBV that stands up to its FCI over a torn silicone ADBV personally.

Last edited by Nyogtha; 02/08/18 10:11 PM.

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Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: Nyogtha] #4660426
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Well of course ... just have to know what filters to buy that don't have shark bitten silicone ADBVs.

Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: iunderpressure] #4660429
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Doesn't have to be sharkbit for me to avoid - any tear is bad enough for me.


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Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: Nyogtha] #4660439
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Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
Doesn't have to be sharkbit for me to avoid - any tear is bad enough for me.


+1

Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: iunderpressure] #4660462
02/08/18 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Has anyone compared ADBVs in oil filters? Does anyone have filters you avoid because you've had a bad experience with their ADBV? I always use a filter with a silicone ADBV and use to prefer Champ Labs upper end filters. I liked their tight ADBV, that always looked like they sealed very well.

I took my truck to a Tire Kingdom to have the tires R&B. They had a Valvoline oil change special, $13.95 plus $2.00 disposal fee. The filter was a ProSelect. Upon start up my engine sounded like a woodpecker on a street light. I stopped at the 1st WM I came across and bought a MC FL-400S to have my friend install it for me immediately. My engine still thanks me to this day. grin

Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: ZeeOSix] #4660463
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Well of course ... just have to know what filters to buy that don't have shark bitten silicone ADBVs.

There's a PUROLATOR filter C&P here on the forum with a shark bitten ADBV just waiting on your approval. LOL

Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4660479
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^^^^^^^

Now that is kinda funny LOL LOL LOL


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Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: Nyogtha] #4660497
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Originally Posted By: Nyogtha
I avoid oil filters that use combination ADBV & BPV design, or combo valves for short. This includes Champ Labs manufactured ecore design as well as Wix manufactured installer grade filters with combo valves. I have not had ADBV function last for even a 3K mile oil change with either design of combo valve, and even had a Wix style wind up cockeyed in service dragging against the mounting nipple during removal, bypassing for who knows how much of that FCI.

+1 the combo valve on an eCore loses ADBV function at about 2500 miles for me. I think a separate bypass valve would be better. That way the durometer of the ADBV can be optimized to minimize drainback.


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Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: iunderpressure] #4660501
02/08/18 11:57 PM
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Those Purolator filters with shredded ADBVs are on my do not use list along with the ones with the tearing media issue.


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Re: Compare ADBVs [Re: BlueOvalFitter] #4661396
02/09/18 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter

I took my truck to a Tire Kingdom to have the tires R&B. They had a Valvoline oil change special, $13.95 plus $2.00 disposal fee. The filter was a ProSelect. Upon start up my engine sounded like a woodpecker on a street light.


Me thinks you have bigger internal engine problems than what an oil filter can fix if it's THAT BAD


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