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F1 Oil Clampdown #4659636
02/08/18 01:28 AM
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Garak Offline OP
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See here. In addition to limiting the oil burn business and trying to close all those loopholes, they're making a team commit to one oil specification per engine per weekend, so no qualification oil being different from race oil.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: Garak] #4659640
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They need to change the name from F1 to Nanny1.

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I guess since a budget cap is virtually unenforceable, they have to do something to prevent the top teams from spending everyone else to death, which will happen anyway. wink


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: 02SE] #4659648
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Originally Posted By: 02SE
They need to change the name from F1 to Nanny1.


That's the truth. It's just about gotten to the point of complete ridiculousness. I'm beginning to think my days as a Formula 1 fan are limited.

Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: billt460] #4659656
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: 02SE
They need to change the name from F1 to Nanny1.


I'm beginning to think my days as a Formula 1 fan are limited.


You're a fan?? I thought you only watched it to find something to complain about! wink

Back on topic, this has been going on for years. The rule book gets thicker, the back marker teams get poorer and go broke. It would appear it's likely to get worse under Liberty (ironic name in hindsight) than better, so strap in for the ride.

Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: Brad_C] #4659675
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Originally Posted By: Brad_C
I thought you only watched it to find something to complain about!


The list is long enough, that's for sure.

Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: billt460] #4659771
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: 02SE
They need to change the name from F1 to Nanny1.


That's the truth. It's just about gotten to the point of complete ridiculousness. I'm beginning to think my days as a Formula 1 fan are limited.

The whole point of the rule changes is to get closer racing. I do like the idea of innovations but the fans don't get to know about the technical innovations of why a car is faster until a season or two later. So all we get to see is MB in 2014 had a much stronger engine than everyone else but we didn't know why until 2017...
F1 is always a balance between what rules will make interesting racing, and what rules allow the teams to innovate and learn something for the billions spent.
You can bet that now a few other racing series has teams looking at using engine oil as a way to introduce fuel additives to combustion.


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Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: Garak] #4659779
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I'm disappointed all the time but still watch. It's an aspect of F1 that makes it F1, experts at circumvention.
Remember in the early nineties when there were qualifying engines? After qualifying was over the driver would blow the engine coming over the finish line(wonder if that sentence will get censored). No engine to inspect(Senna was good at this).
All racing has this sort of behavior.
Next: venting the gearbox to the intake.


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Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: IndyIan] #4659794
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
The whole point of the rule changes is to get closer racing.


But that NEVER happens in F1. You have certain teams that dominate for years, with no one able to come anywhere close to knocking them off. First you had the Schumacher Ferrari era. Then came Red Bull and Vettel for another 4+ years of domination and consecutive championships. Next was Mercedes with years of Hamilton / Rosberg / Hamilton domination. While other teams couldn't come close.... Unless they either wrecked or broke. Then someone else was lucky enough to win one whole race in a row.

This is what always happens, and has been happening for the last 2+ decades in F1. All the while they introduced 678,547 rule changes per year. All with zero effect. The winners all kept winning. For a motorsport that is as rule saturated as Formula 1 is. And supposedly all for the sake of, "getting closer racing", they sure fail miserably at it. No other form of open wheel racing is as continually lopsided as Formula 1. Year in and year out. Next year will be no different. It will be Hamilton / Vettel..... Mercedes / Ferrari all over again. With Ferrari once again the underdog. While Haas, Renault, Williams, Red Bull, Toro Rosso, and everyone else will just be doing laps for whatever crumbs get tossed their way. I think it's time they at least start to look at the rule book as their problem.... Instead of always believing it's their salvation.

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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
The whole point of the rule changes is to get closer racing.


But that NEVER happens in F1. You have certain teams that dominate for years, with no one able to come anywhere close to knocking them off. First you had the Schumacher Ferrari era. Then came Red Bull and Vettel for another 4+ years of domination and consecutive championships. Next was Mercedes with years of Hamilton / Rosberg / Hamilton domination. While other teams couldn't come close.... Unless they either wrecked or broke. Then someone else was lucky enough to win one whole race in a row.

This is what always happens, and has been happening for the last 2+ decades in F1. All the while they introduced 678,547 rule changes per year. All with zero effect. The winners all kept winning. For a motorsport that is as rule saturated as Formula 1 is. And supposedly all for the sake of, "getting closer racing", they sure fail miserably at it. No other form of open wheel racing is as continually lopsided as Formula 1. Year in and year out. Next year will be no different. It will be Hamilton / Vettel..... Mercedes / Ferrari all over again. With Ferrari once again the underdog. While Haas, Renault, Williams, Red Bull, Toro Rosso, and everyone else will just be doing laps for whatever crumbs get tossed their way. I think it's time they at least start to look at the rule book as their problem.... Instead of always believing it's their salvation.


I did enjoy that year when Ross Braun and Jenson Button beat the big bucks teams. That may never happen again.


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Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: Garak] #4659987
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The equation: spec racing OR high speed parade?


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Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: billt460] #4660237
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Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
The whole point of the rule changes is to get closer racing.


But that NEVER happens in F1. You have certain teams that dominate for years, with no one able to come anywhere close to knocking them off. First you had the Schumacher Ferrari era. Then came Red Bull and Vettel for another 4+ years of domination and consecutive championships. Next was Mercedes with years of Hamilton / Rosberg / Hamilton domination. While other teams couldn't come close.... Unless they either wrecked or broke. Then someone else was lucky enough to win one whole race in a row.


You are forgetting the Senna/Prost era, and the Hakennen era also before the Schumacher era.

In essence, since the late 1980s, one team has dominated for 3-5 years, then fallen asunder to another top ranked team.

Back to the interior quote: If F1 wanted closer racing, all they have to do is ban ALL aerodynamics--make the cars follow the Convex Hull model with no wings, diffusers, spoilers, diplanes, winglets, barge boards, or other aerodynamic devices. But F1 does not want racing that close!

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Originally Posted By: Mitch Alsup
But F1 does not want racing that closeslow!


Fixed that for you.

Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: 555] #4660388
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Originally Posted By: 555
The equation: spec racing OR high speed parade?

I think you could have a set of aerodynamic rules that would have a reasonable amount of downforce, that isn't overly affected by following closely, and have the cars have some drag to keep them from going too fast on the straights.
I bet Newey could draw up the rules to do this while still having a car that looks half decent.


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Re: F1 Oil Clampdown [Re: Brad_C] #4660535
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Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Back on topic, this has been going on for years. The rule book gets thicker, the back marker teams get poorer and go broke. It would appear it's likely to get worse under Liberty (ironic name in hindsight) than better, so strap in for the ride.

It's still not that thick. I'd hate to see some of the general FIA administrative rules. wink

And yes, Liberty's honeymoon is over.

Indylan: They can, with more ground effects, but that creates its own set of problems on the current circuits. You go off track, and the next thing you know, the car is 20 feet in the air.


Plain, simple Garak.

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