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high mileage oil, 75K miles #4659006
02/07/18 12:19 PM
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BalticBob Offline OP
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Most oil brands are available in a "high mileage" flavor, advertised for use in vehicles with 75,000 miles or more. A vehicle with poor oil maintenance can have high mileage wear at 40K, yet a well maintained vehicle can have low mileage wear at 140K.
How did the ad teams come up with 75K as high mileage?

Any input about high mileage oil.....ad hype or is there something to it?

Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659013
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All marketing hype. They know the average age of a car in the USA is over 11 years.

SF

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If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659055
02/07/18 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: BalticBob
Most oil brands are available in a "high mileage" flavor, advertised for use in vehicles with 75,000 miles or more. A vehicle with poor oil maintenance can have high mileage wear at 40K, yet a well maintained vehicle can have low mileage wear at 140K.
How did the ad teams come up with 75K as high mileage?

Any input about high mileage oil.....ad hype or is there something to it?

The real or imagined benefits of HM oils has been discussed on this board more times than I can count. Please use the search function (which DOES work for this term) before posting yet another question on the same tired subject.


1994 BMW 530i, 238K
1996 Honda Accord, 266K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 407K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 280K
Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659103
02/07/18 01:33 PM
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BalticBob Offline OP
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yawn.....just reading your post makes me tired.....
I guess it is hard to count that high after being on here for over 12 years.
If you are tired of reading tired subjects, don't read them, they may not be tired to a new member. But at least tired posts give you something to reply to.

Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659116
02/07/18 01:40 PM
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High Mileage oils by any oil company all seem to use 75,000 miles as the break point. I agree with you that the number doesn't make sense for every customer. As far as the oil itself, a high mileage oil will have enhanced detergent additives, seal conditioners to keep seals pliable and reduce leaks as well as claims to reduce oil burning. That's about it. With that being said, I do use Mobil 1 HM in 3 of my vehicles and I am satisfied.

Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659119
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Originally Posted By: BalticBob
yawn.....just reading your post makes me tired.....
I guess it is hard to count that high after being on here for over 12 years.
If you are tired of reading tired subjects, don't read them, they may not be tired to a new member. But at least tired posts give you something to reply to.

But what I said is true and of course you already knew that. You only post to get attention, right? Post subjects that you know have been thoroughly discussed numerous times in the past... 12 years.

And you're new here? Really? Nah, go on.


1994 BMW 530i, 238K
1996 Honda Accord, 266K
1999 Toyota Sienna, 407K
2000 Toyota ECHO, 280K
Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: GMBoy] #4659121
02/07/18 01:53 PM
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And some even have a higher HTHS than the standard issue.


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Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659129
02/07/18 01:57 PM
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As has been posted many times before. I moved to MaxLife when I bought my Encore with 50K. Wouldn't do it today because it doesn't meet Dexos 1v2. Warranty ran out at 70K and I'm pushing 100 so I'm staying with MaxLife. The 75K mileage is so they'll have an easy marketing point. Seal conditioner does no harm.


2017 Kia Soul Plus-- VWB 5-30, 54,000 miles.
Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659145
02/07/18 02:08 PM
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To answer your question, the experts at Valvoline (MaxLife high mileage oil folks) practically invented it, and 75,000 miles is what they chose.
Mostly because their own research showed seals start getting less pliable, less flexible around 75,000 miles.
Seal conditioning is the one big thing about any High Mileage oil. MaxLife does have some extra detergents and anti-wear though; not much more.
Skip to the 27:02 point on the video done at Valvoline:


Originally Posted By: csandste
As has been posted many times before. I moved to MaxLife when I bought my Encore with 50K. Wouldn't do it today because it doesn't meet Dexos 1v2. Warranty ran out at 70K and I'm pushing 100 so I'm staying with MaxLife. The 75K mileage is so they'll have an easy marketing point. Seal conditioner does no harm.
"Dexos 1v2" I think you mean 'dexos1 Gen2', and the Valvoline MaxLife Full Synthetic version does indeed meet dexos1 Gen2 which is a high spec and makes MaxLife suitable for use in any age engine, new or old.

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Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659148
02/07/18 02:10 PM
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Aren't most or all hm oils at the top end of the viscosity spectrum?


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Pennzoil Platinum 5W20

Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: GMBoy] #4659150
02/07/18 02:12 PM
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BalticBob Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
High Mileage oils by any oil company all seem to use 75,000 miles as the break point. I agree with you that the number doesn't make sense for every customer. As far as the oil itself, a high mileage oil will have enhanced detergent additives, seal conditioners to keep seals pliable and reduce leaks as well as claims to reduce oil burning. That's about it. With that being said, I do use Mobil 1 HM in 3 of my vehicles and I am satisfied.


I see you have been on here since 2004. Some long time wanna-be moderators here are rude and have nothing to add to the conversation.

I thank you for the information and the personal results in your vehicles.

Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659190
02/07/18 03:00 PM
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Marketing draws the uninformed like ants to sugar.


2015 Ford F150 2.7
2018 Ford F350 6.2
Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: BalticBob] #4659203
02/07/18 03:19 PM
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Some of us run HM oils sooner than 75K ... They used to have stout add paks and were sort of VR-1 jr smile

If they went for the SN rating, they are now weak sauce too frown OK to soften seals, but not much else of real benefit ...


Formerly in marine engineering. In an earlier life I owned my own petroleum tank truck, and hauled for the majors and independent's.
Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: GMBoy] #4659392
02/07/18 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: GMBoy
As far as the oil itself, a high mileage oil will have enhanced detergent additives, seal conditioners to keep seals pliable and reduce leaks as well as claims to reduce oil burning.


Who knows?!?!?!!?

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4657497/Re:_Has_anyone_ever_done_a_uoa#Post4657497


Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I emailed Pennzoil this morning asking what the difference is between PP 0W20 and PPHM 0W20 and here's what they said:

Me:
I've been using Pennzoil Platinum 0W20 in my 2012 Honda Accord (with the 2.4 K24 4 cylinder engine) that has 76,000 miles on it. It has no leaks and uses no oil whatsoever. Would there be any benefit of switching to Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 0W20? What's the exact difference between the regular Platinum 0W20 and the high mileage Platinum 0W20?

Thanks!!

Them:
If you are not losing or consuming oil there is no need to switch to the Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage. The primary difference is the cleaning additives are removed and seal conditioners are added to the Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage oil to help with older worn seals. If you would like to discuss this in detail please call our hotline at 1-800-237-8645, option 3,1


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: high mileage oil, 75K miles [Re: csandste] #4659395
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Originally Posted By: csandste
The 75K mileage is so they'll have an easy marketing point.


Correct

Recommending HM oil at 50,000 miles is so ridiculous, the marketing dept knows that won't fly....

But, a lot of folks trade at 100,000 miles ... so we can't wait too long to snag them as customers...

75,0000 mileage = easy marketing point (and nothing more)


"The evidence demands a verdict".
(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
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