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Identifying cars running in self driving mode #4657699
02/06/18 08:18 AM
02/06/18 08:18 AM
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OneEyeJack Offline OP
OneEyeJack  Offline OP
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Will cars actually in a self-driving mode of one form or the other be identified somehow so that other drivers can choose to stay away from them. What might be called something like a "software glitch" could be an accident to others involved and such an accident could be very harmful to humans.

Self-driving cars are already here in one form or another and they have arrived before the technology has matured and the legal system is far from prepared to do its part in the process. A serious accident could leave injured human parties tied up in litigation for years to come facing an adversary worth billions of dollars protecting interests worth billions of more dollars.

Given the chance, I would opt to get out of the way of a self-driving car.

Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657704
02/06/18 08:23 AM
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Id be more interested in staying away from the sleeping drivers. Just sayn.

Last edited by Snagglefoot; 02/06/18 08:24 AM.

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Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657705
02/06/18 08:23 AM
02/06/18 08:23 AM
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Your self driving car will alert the passenger that there is an old human driver car in close proximity decades from now. Insurance on an old car a human drives will
be very expensive.

Last edited by skyactiv; 02/06/18 08:25 AM.

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Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657707
02/06/18 08:25 AM
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Or maybe a pot smoker on the west coast haven a nice nap after eating a bag of Cheetos.


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657739
02/06/18 08:56 AM
02/06/18 08:56 AM
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SW Ontario Canada
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My personal avoidance: If driver wears a hat, scat!


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Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657747
02/06/18 09:04 AM
02/06/18 09:04 AM
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The many drivers with their heads buried in their cell phones are probably a far greater threat IMO.


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Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657922
02/06/18 11:50 AM
02/06/18 11:50 AM
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Grand Rapids, MI
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I'm not aware of any way to tell if a car is self driving. Just avoid people that look like they aren't paying attention, regardless of who is really in control of the vehicle.


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Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657927
02/06/18 11:52 AM
02/06/18 11:52 AM
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Why would you want to avoid the vehicles with the lower probability of causing a crash? Doesn't make any sense.


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Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657937
02/06/18 11:58 AM
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Here are the signs;

Woman (or man these days) applying makeup.
Reading newspaper or staring at smartphone.
Eating.
Staring at the person seated next to them.
Reaching towards the back or the floor for something.

All these cars are self driving but most dont have any tech installed.


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Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657993
02/06/18 01:00 PM
02/06/18 01:00 PM
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Silicon Valley
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Avoid cell phone users and those who drive aggressively. Self-Driving cars are more worried about you than you worry about them.


"You keep asking questions PandaBear and you'll end up a vegetarian like my wife" - Camu Mahubah
Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4657995
02/06/18 01:04 PM
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What happens when the roadway becomes a sea of radar?


Scambling for solutions is a hopelessly futile endeavour and potentially dangerous, without first coming to a solid, personal understanding of the problem. Beware riding the ideological hobby horse.
Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4658046
02/06/18 01:48 PM
02/06/18 01:48 PM
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Whoever sits in and operates the self driving vehicle will be responsible, no different than someone texting or being distracted in some other way.

It will be interesting to see though, how the insurance companies handle true autonomous vehicles with no manual vehicle controls.


2015 Dodge Grand Caravan-27k miles.
2006 Mazda 3-163k miles
Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4658176
02/06/18 04:07 PM
02/06/18 04:07 PM
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Kansas
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Kansas
Eventually, there will be quite a few cars on the road that will be without drivers. It may take awhile, but it will happen.
So here's a thought: A dozen or more years ago, thugs were attacking tourists in Florida who were in rental cars. The cars had big rental stickers on them and the odds were very small that the tourists would have a loaded hand gun with them, so they were targeted.
So how long before these autonomous vehicles and semi trucks, driving in the middle of nowhere on their way to programmed destinations, get hijacked and have all the contents stolen?

Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4658275
02/06/18 05:40 PM
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KS
each state should pass a law to require a self driving car to have self "driving running lights ON " after all with a reg driver you are required to have running light. why not a self driving car?

Re: Identifying cars running in self driving mode [Re: OneEyeJack] #4658317
02/06/18 06:28 PM
02/06/18 06:28 PM
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JamesBond Offline
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Can you hold one of these cars hostage by tossing a bag of leaves in front of it then another behind it? Even if the driver takes control will the car allow you to drive into something? Carjack city.

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