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Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles #4657424
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Left: Red Line 15w40
Right two: RT6 5w40 CJ4
Not sure what TR means . . . .


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4657440
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Wow, vanilla. Whatever happened to 6,000,000 ppm of moly...though Fe looks to be better, all else seems equal.
TR is trace.


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: Dyusik] #4657485
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Originally Posted By: Dyusik
Wow, vanilla. Whatever happened to 6,000,000 ppm of moly...


because it only shows *some* (not all) additive packs... and only at the molecular level.

A UOA also doesn't show anything about base oils used.


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(Re:VOA)"it's nearly impossible to actually know the particular additives that are in there at what concentrations."
Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: Linctex] #4657562
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Well aware,just thinking back to some old uoas of rl.


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4657568
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Just wondering, how high does the iron ppm have to get before these guys would be concerned?


If you want the job done right......do it yourself.
Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4657571
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VOA for this oil:

://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4521580/VOA_Red_Line_15w40_HDEO#Post4521580


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: Snagglefoot] #4658030
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Just wondering, how high does the iron ppm have to get before these guys would be concerned?


over 100ppm might raise a flag all depends on how many hrs on the oil

Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4658073
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Redline sure knocked down your iron on this longer OCI. Whether it's moly or gerbil urine that's in the oil, its clearly working for you. I wouldn't change a thing.


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: DoubleWasp] #4658667
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Redline sure knocked down your iron on this longer OCI. Whether it's moly or gerbil urine that's in the oil, its clearly working for you. I wouldn't change a thing.


Agreed.

Has anyone ever seen this "TR" comment from Blackstone before on fuel dilution? That could be interpreted as 0.01%, 1% or 4% fuel dilution?? I'm guessing a decent amount of fuel dilution here given the big flashpoint drop from 475 to 415, the viscosity drops, and a lot of subfreezing idling with the 15w. Is Blackstone finally admitting they can't accurately measure fuel dilutuon, by just saying TR with no number?

Note: fuel dilution is a big deal to me, because of other engines where I have fuel dilution problems.

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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4662457
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Both of the right two are RT6 CJ4? What's with the nosedive in Potassium and Boron between the two fills of the same exact oil?


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: DoubleWasp] #4662493
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Both of the right two are RT6 CJ4? What's with the nosedive in Potassium and Boron between the two fills of the same exact oil?


Archoil in the first RT6 fill. Archoil pollution carryover in the second RT6.

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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4662534
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I didn't know that the 6.7 had a reputation for shearing oil. I thought that was only for Ford diesels with the HEUI injection system. The 6.7 is HPCR, isn't it? It sheared the RT6 more than 10% twice. And I find it hard to believe that Redline 15w40 would shear at all. And that flashpoint of 415 seems low for RL 15w40. Maybe you have fuel dilution, and Blackstone isn't detecting it?


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4662539
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T6 being a group III, there's a giant slug of VIIs in it. That it shears in just about every HDEO application is not unheard of. It's used in motorcycles with shared sumps and it shears greatly there, too. That does not mean it's failing it's job to protect against wear. It's just part of the beast; it seems to shear readily no matter what you put it in, if you run it long enough.

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- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4662562
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Has the engine ever run a GII+ 15w40 like Delo or Delvac guess 15w might be seasonal

Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: 4WD] #4662568
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Originally Posted By: 4WD
Has the engine ever run a GII+ 15w40 like Delo or Delvac guess 15w might be seasonal


Yes, but never got UOAs with GII 15w40s. My UOAs are sporadic with this engine since no apparent serious issues.


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: dnewton3] #4662579
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
T6 being a group III, there's a giant slug of VIIs in it. That it shears in just about every HDEO application is not unheard of. It's used in motorcycles with shared sumps and it shears greatly there, too. That does not mean it's failing it's job to protect against wear. It's just part of the beast; it seems to shear readily no matter what you put it in, if you run it long enough.


RT6 hasn't been shearing in my Cummins, and there are many UOA's up to 37k miles posted here that show it.


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: A_Harman] #4662589
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I didn't know that the 6.7 had a reputation for shearing oil. I thought that was only for Ford diesels with the HEUI injection system. The 6.7 is HPCR, isn't it? It sheared the RT6 more than 10% twice. And I find it hard to believe that Redline 15w40 would shear at all. And that flashpoint of 415 seems low for RL 15w40. Maybe you have fuel dilution, and Blackstone isn't detecting it?


Yes, I'm getting very concerned about Blackstone fuel dilution analysis. Had seen your long T6 runs without shearing. I'm having fuel dilution problems in other engines, and will probably be switching to Oil Analyzers per recommendations in the below-listed threads unless anyone has a better idea:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4618805/Best_oil_for_handling_1-3__fue

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthr..._Ya#Post4520553

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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: A_Harman] #4663516
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
T6 being a group III, there's a giant slug of VIIs in it. That it shears in just about every HDEO application is not unheard of. It's used in motorcycles with shared sumps and it shears greatly there, too. That does not mean it's failing it's job to protect against wear. It's just part of the beast; it seems to shear readily no matter what you put it in, if you run it long enough.


RT6 hasn't been shearing in my Cummins, and there are many UOA's up to 37k miles posted here that show it.



Two thoughts on your UOAs ... and there's no real way to know, but these are observations
1) they certainly are the exception rather than the rule
2) because your UOAs are so much longer, there's a likelihood that you're seeing two phenomenon at the same time; VII shearing is offset by oxidation/soot thickening
I can't prove or disprove it, but your UOAs are not "normal", as most T6 show shearing
Cummins I-6 such as yours don't seem to shear many fluids in normal use, so that also helps.

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- under maintaining something is akin to abuse/neglect; that can kill equipment by shortening the lifespan
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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: A_Harman] #4709077
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Originally Posted By: A_Harman
I didn't know that the 6.7 had a reputation for shearing oil. I thought that was only for Ford diesels with the HEUI injection system. The 6.7 is HPCR, isn't it? It sheared the RT6 more than 10% twice. And I find it hard to believe that Redline 15w40 would shear at all. And that flashpoint of 415 seems low for RL 15w40. Maybe you have fuel dilution, and Blackstone isn't detecting it?


Turns out it was fuel dilution. Just got back 3.7% fuel dilution (GC measurement) report on most recent analysis from Oil Analyzers. Thanks for suggesting.


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Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja] #4710638
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So why so much fuel dilution in a pretty low mileage 6.7?


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Originally Posted By: racin4ds
So why so much fuel dilution in a pretty low mileage 6.7?


Wish I knew!

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Latest below. June 2018 UOA in both the Blackstone and Horizon reports is Redline 15w40 HDEO. Both reports analyzed the same oil from this OCI.

In the Blackstone report, 1/18 and 6/18 reports were Redline 15w40 HDEO, 3/18 report was Amsoil SS 5w40 HDEO, and the two 2016 reports with the higher iron were T6 5w40 CJ4.




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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Just wondering, how high does the iron ppm have to get before these guys would be concerned?



When there is issue you normally see ALOT of ppm of something and it also doesnt line up to hrs or miles on oil. Like for example 6k mile interval with 390ppm iron. There is definitely issue going on. The few UOA ive seen on engines that have been bad ppm figures were in the 1000+ ppm.


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Latest UOA for RedLine 15w40 in this engine. Surprising jumps in oxidation from 4 to 91, and viscosity, with the same oil. If anyone has any ideas on the oxidation jump, please comment . . . .

As can be seen in this thread, never had high oxidation or this high viscosity in this engine.

Samples 2 and 3 in this pix both RedLine 15w40 HDEO, and Sample 1 was Amsoil SS 5w40 HDEO.

Sorry for the blurry picture.

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Fuel dilution has grown, but just remember not to compare these latest fuel numbers to Blackstone's, since they're not readily comparable in the least. As I mentioned in the other thread, the oxidation numbers on Red Line are customarily high in the first place. If there's any number I'd be wondering about it would be the "4" from June. A VOA of this batch of Red Line 15w-40 would be helpful. Viscosity is up, too, but that's not a huge amount in the least.


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Originally Posted by claluja
Originally Posted by racin4ds
So why so much fuel dilution in a pretty low mileage 6.7?


Wish I knew!

Ford injects diesel on the exhaust stroke for regen in the 6.7, so lots of raw fuel in the cylinders that sneaks past the rings. Cummins uses a 7th dedicated injector in the exhaust stream, they naturally do better on fuel dilution.


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Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Redline sure knocked down your iron on this longer OCI. Whether it's moly or gerbil urine that's in the oil, its clearly working for you. I wouldn't change a thing.

The Redline oil is a 15w-40.


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Originally Posted by CT8
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
Redline sure knocked down your iron on this longer OCI. Whether it's moly or gerbil urine that's in the oil, its clearly working for you. I wouldn't change a thing.

The Redline oil is a 15w-40.



The Red Line 15w40 significantly lowered iron compared to T6.

And the 3/22/18 Amsoil 5w40 lowered iron even more.

The 5w40 T6 clearly had the highest iron wear, Amsoil 5w40 the lowest iron number, and the Red Line 15w40 is in the middle. Don't think the "15w" part of the equation was the determining factor here.

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Originally Posted by claluja
Latest UOA for RedLine 15w40 in this engine. Surprising jumps in oxidation from 4 to 91, and viscosity, with the same oil. If anyone has any ideas on the oxidation jump, please comment . . . .

As can be seen in this thread, never had high oxidation or this high viscosity in this engine.

Samples 2 and 3 in this pix both RedLine 15w40 HDEO, and Sample 1 was Amsoil SS 5w40 HDEO.

Sorry for the blurry picture.


When I got VOA's of Redline 5w30 some years ago, oxidation showed 108. I would say your 91 oxidation number is OK.


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