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#4657424 - 02/05/18 08:50 PM Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles
claluja Offline


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Left: Red Line 15w40
Right two: RT6 5w40 CJ4
Not sure what TR means . . . .
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#4657440 - 02/05/18 09:17 PM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
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Wow, vanilla. Whatever happened to 6,000,000 ppm of moly...though Fe looks to be better, all else seems equal.
TR is trace.
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#4657485 - 02/05/18 10:14 PM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: Dyusik]
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Originally Posted By: Dyusik
Wow, vanilla. Whatever happened to 6,000,000 ppm of moly...


because it only shows *some* (not all) additive packs... and only at the molecular level.

A UOA also doesn't show anything about base oils used.
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#4657562 - 02/06/18 12:52 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: Linctex]
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Well aware,just thinking back to some old uoas of rl.
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#4657568 - 02/06/18 01:24 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
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Just wondering, how high does the iron ppm have to get before these guys would be concerned?

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#4657571 - 02/06/18 02:35 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
claluja Offline


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VOA for this oil:

://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4521580/VOA_Red_Line_15w40_HDEO#Post4521580
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#4658030 - 02/06/18 01:38 PM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: Snagglefoot]
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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Just wondering, how high does the iron ppm have to get before these guys would be concerned?


over 100ppm might raise a flag all depends on how many hrs on the oil

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#4658073 - 02/06/18 02:15 PM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
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Redline sure knocked down your iron on this longer OCI. Whether it's moly or gerbil urine that's in the oil, its clearly working for you. I wouldn't change a thing.
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#4658667 - 02/07/18 04:53 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: DoubleWasp]
claluja Offline


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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Redline sure knocked down your iron on this longer OCI. Whether it's moly or gerbil urine that's in the oil, its clearly working for you. I wouldn't change a thing.


Agreed.

Has anyone ever seen this "TR" comment from Blackstone before on fuel dilution? That could be interpreted as 0.01%, 1% or 4% fuel dilution?? I'm guessing a decent amount of fuel dilution here given the big flashpoint drop from 475 to 415, the viscosity drops, and a lot of subfreezing idling with the 15w. Is Blackstone finally admitting they can't accurately measure fuel dilutuon, by just saying TR with no number?

Note: fuel dilution is a big deal to me, because of other engines where I have fuel dilution problems.


Edited by claluja (02/07/18 05:02 AM)
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#4662457 - 02/11/18 02:34 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
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Both of the right two are RT6 CJ4? What's with the nosedive in Potassium and Boron between the two fills of the same exact oil?
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#4662493 - 02/11/18 05:24 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: DoubleWasp]
claluja Offline


Registered: 02/05/16
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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Both of the right two are RT6 CJ4? What's with the nosedive in Potassium and Boron between the two fills of the same exact oil?


Archoil in the first RT6 fill. Archoil pollution carryover in the second RT6.


Edited by claluja (02/11/18 05:28 AM)
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#4662534 - 02/11/18 07:20 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
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I didn't know that the 6.7 had a reputation for shearing oil. I thought that was only for Ford diesels with the HEUI injection system. The 6.7 is HPCR, isn't it? It sheared the RT6 more than 10% twice. And I find it hard to believe that Redline 15w40 would shear at all. And that flashpoint of 415 seems low for RL 15w40. Maybe you have fuel dilution, and Blackstone isn't detecting it?
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#4662539 - 02/11/18 07:25 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
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T6 being a group III, there's a giant slug of VIIs in it. That it shears in just about every HDEO application is not unheard of. It's used in motorcycles with shared sumps and it shears greatly there, too. That does not mean it's failing it's job to protect against wear. It's just part of the beast; it seems to shear readily no matter what you put it in, if you run it long enough.


Edited by dnewton3 (02/11/18 07:26 AM)
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#4662562 - 02/11/18 07:55 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: claluja]
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Has the engine ever run a GII+ 15w40 like Delo or Delvac guess 15w might be seasonal

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#4662568 - 02/11/18 08:06 AM Re: Red Line 15w40 HDEO 2014 F250 6.7 PSD 9400 miles [Re: 4WD]
claluja Offline


Registered: 02/05/16
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Loc: MD
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Has the engine ever run a GII+ 15w40 like Delo or Delvac guess 15w might be seasonal


Yes, but never got UOAs with GII 15w40s. My UOAs are sporadic with this engine since no apparent serious issues.
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