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Yes, I Want It All #4656961
02/05/18 02:20 PM
02/05/18 02:20 PM
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Posts: 157
New Mexico USA
CCI Offline OP
CCI  Offline OP
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New Mexico USA
In a tire, that is.

Going on an Toyota FJ Cruiser, primarily highway and around town, but when it's time to go off road they need to do the job.

Safety is #1, which includes stability at 80 mph+ and puncture resistance in rocky terrain.
Quiet is #2, I don't want to listen to the howl at highway speeds.
Tread life is a distant #3, if it does the job I'm not that concerned about tread life.
Cost is #4, if they work I don't mind paying a premium. That includes up-front price and fuel economy.

Been thinking about the Michelin A/T. Any other thoughts?

Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4656969
02/05/18 02:29 PM
02/05/18 02:29 PM
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80mph+ in a brick shaped SUV... HMMM

But really, that's a tall order. For the price the Hankook dyna pro ATM on my Nissan do pretty well. They make some noise on the highway, not sure you're going to get away from that. They've been great in the snow and the mild dirt trails I've driven on. But I don't do any tougher off roading. Something like a duratrac tire would be better suited for that.

For puncture resistance I had goodyear wrangler adventure with kevlar. They did well in all conditions, except rain. For whatever reason they didn't like rain. But snow and mud not an issue.


2016 Nissan Frontier Pro4x
2017 VW GTI sport
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Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4656970
02/05/18 02:29 PM
02/05/18 02:29 PM
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Marshfield , MA
andyd Offline
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Marshfield , MA
99.999% will be roads, get a road tire


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Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4656985
02/05/18 02:38 PM
02/05/18 02:38 PM
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Southeast
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ditto. you can't have it all. But if you're just taking a street SUV onto the 1% of trail use, you probably aren't going to be able to take full advantage of what a full blown M/T has anyway. No Hardcore offroad tire is going to be safe at highway speeds, especially 80, especially in the rain, or snow.

Michelin A/T will be fine on gravel. It will be fine on the HWY. It will be useless for rock crawling and you'll destroy it. It's not much different from the LTX, which is a widely LOVED tire here.

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Last edited by meep; 02/05/18 02:38 PM.

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Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4656990
02/05/18 02:40 PM
02/05/18 02:40 PM
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Posts: 10,682
Phoenix, AZ
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Iíve had good luck with BFG All Terrains. Very tough tire, my dad has a set on his FJ Cruiser and it gets beaten off road regularly. Iíve also got a set on my Jeep.

But the Cooper Discoverer AT3 is also a good tire. Last summer I had a set put on my grandpaís Chevy Trailblazer and drove it to Utah, itís actually really quiet.


2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 84k Mobil 1 AFE 0w30 & OEM
2000 Toyota Camry 2.2L 230k Valvoline 5w30 & Fram Ultra
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0L 147k Mobil 1 HM 10w40 & Fram Ultra
Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4656994
02/05/18 02:43 PM
02/05/18 02:43 PM
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Central Coast California
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Central Coast California
I had the same requirements and went Cooper ST Maxx about 3 years ago. They have been great, very durable in sharp rocks and overall good at everything. The only drawback is that it is heavy and stiff, but I had 6 punctures in my last tires so I wasn't going to compromise with a light duty tire.


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Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657006
02/05/18 02:53 PM
02/05/18 02:53 PM
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Cincinnati, OH, USA
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I wouldn't trade my Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos (both 1 and 2) for anything, and they're plenty stable enough for 80 MPH (the Revo 2s on the Ram, not the Revo 1s on the front axle of my F-450, it won't make it past 75).

Last edited by bullwinkle; 02/05/18 02:55 PM.

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Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657023
02/05/18 03:08 PM
02/05/18 03:08 PM
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NE,Ohio
Rand Offline
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NE,Ohio
IMO the michelin AT tires are not nearly as well liked as their highway designs.

I'd go non-michelin for AT tire.

not in any particular order
Cooper AT/3, BFG KO2, toyo open country at2, General Grabber AT2, kumho Road Venture AT51, hankook dynapro ATM
Goodyear duratrac, goodyear adventure AT, bridgestone revo II
ETC.

Last edited by Rand; 02/05/18 03:12 PM.

2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk 2.0T
Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657053
02/05/18 03:37 PM
02/05/18 03:37 PM
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Posts: 3,150
USA
Reddy45 Offline
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USA
Isn't the Michelin Defender LTX MS what you want? It's a mostly highway looking tire but is rated for the mucky stuff.

Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: HemiHawk] #4657171
02/05/18 05:12 PM
02/05/18 05:12 PM
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Posts: 10,439
Indiana
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Indiana
Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
80mph+ in a brick shaped SUV... HMMM

But really, that's a tall order. For the price the Hankook dyna pro ATM on my Nissan do pretty well. They make some noise on the highway, not sure you're going to get away from that. They've been great in the snow and the mild dirt trails I've driven on. But I don't do any tougher off roading. Something like a duratrac tire would be better suited for that.

For puncture resistance I had goodyear wrangler adventure with kevlar. They did well in all conditions, except rain. For whatever reason they didn't like rain. But snow and mud not an issue.


Goodyear DuraTrac. They'll look good too if you're into the sort of thing.

Always liked these. Toyota picked up the ball that Jeep dropped IMO. She works with a lady that has a white 6 speed. Vinyl floor, BFG AT's, hill decent, rear locker, roof basket etc. The dealer keeps calling her wanting her to trade up (their words) to a Rav4.


03 Jeep WJ 4.0 200k Castrol Edge 10w40 HM Fram XG16
02 Volvo S60 2.4T 177k M1 0w40 Mahle OX149D
97 Chevy Blazer 4.3 149k Rotella T5 10w30 Supertech ST3980

Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657181
02/05/18 05:20 PM
02/05/18 05:20 PM
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Posts: 671
WA
Brigadier Offline
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WA
Another vote for the Duratracs.


2017 Hyundai Santa Fe SE, 3.3L, AWD, QSUD 5w30, OEM filter, LiquiMoly MoS2, E-0 92 octane

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Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657279
02/05/18 07:06 PM
02/05/18 07:06 PM
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Posts: 12
Midwest
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Midwest
Requirements 1 and 2 pretty much preclude the use of a knobby A/T tire. I'd just go with Michelin Defender LTX, or the Kumho Crugen HT51 if you're on more of a budget (very similar tire). The Sumitomo Encounter HT also looks nice at the low end of the range.

If you have to have an A/T tire for looks or actual use way off the road, the Yoko Geolandar G015 might be the best compromise for noise and highway stability.


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02 CR-V EX
Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657468
02/05/18 10:54 PM
02/05/18 10:54 PM
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South Louisiana
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South Louisiana
I didnt have very good luck with BFG KO2's on my F250. I only got about 30k miles of them and two alligment shops (one didnt even sell tires) partially faulted the tires for the death wobble I was experiencing. "Run out" and "out of round" were the terms they used.
I was really disapointed because I had some lt285/65-18 BFG original KO's on a 2002 GMC K1500 and could'nt wear them out.


Currently running...
2011 Ford F250 4x4 6.7L, 2011 Toyota Camry SE 2.5L, 2002 Dodge Caravan 3.3L,
2012 Honda Rincon,2012 Honda Rancher AT,09 Honda Trx90
Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657966
02/06/18 01:32 PM
02/06/18 01:32 PM
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Posts: 2,221
London, England
bigjl Offline
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London, England
There is a new BF Goodrich tyre replacing the KO2 coming out soon.


16 S350d LWB 25k Mobil Super 3000 XE 5w30
17 Smart ForFour Auto 6.5k Mobil 1 0w40 FS
Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI] #4657986
02/06/18 01:52 PM
02/06/18 01:52 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 3,437
Alberta, Canada
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Posts: 3,437
Alberta, Canada
Cooper discovery AT/3


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