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#4656961 - 02/05/18 01:20 PM Yes, I Want It All
CCI Offline


Registered: 07/15/09
Posts: 132
Loc: New Mexico USA
In a tire, that is.

Going on an Toyota FJ Cruiser, primarily highway and around town, but when it's time to go off road they need to do the job.

Safety is #1, which includes stability at 80 mph+ and puncture resistance in rocky terrain.
Quiet is #2, I don't want to listen to the howl at highway speeds.
Tread life is a distant #3, if it does the job I'm not that concerned about tread life.
Cost is #4, if they work I don't mind paying a premium. That includes up-front price and fuel economy.

Been thinking about the Michelin A/T. Any other thoughts?

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#4656969 - 02/05/18 01:29 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
HemiHawk Offline


Registered: 03/09/16
Posts: 842
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80mph+ in a brick shaped SUV... HMMM

But really, that's a tall order. For the price the Hankook dyna pro ATM on my Nissan do pretty well. They make some noise on the highway, not sure you're going to get away from that. They've been great in the snow and the mild dirt trails I've driven on. But I don't do any tougher off roading. Something like a duratrac tire would be better suited for that.

For puncture resistance I had goodyear wrangler adventure with kevlar. They did well in all conditions, except rain. For whatever reason they didn't like rain. But snow and mud not an issue.
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#4656970 - 02/05/18 01:29 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
andyd Offline


Registered: 09/25/04
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Loc: Marshfield , MA
99.999% will be roads, get a road tire
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#4656985 - 02/05/18 01:38 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
meep Offline


Registered: 02/20/07
Posts: 3557
Loc: Southeast
ditto. you can't have it all. But if you're just taking a street SUV onto the 1% of trail use, you probably aren't going to be able to take full advantage of what a full blown M/T has anyway. No Hardcore offroad tire is going to be safe at highway speeds, especially 80, especially in the rain, or snow.

Michelin A/T will be fine on gravel. It will be fine on the HWY. It will be useless for rock crawling and you'll destroy it. It's not much different from the LTX, which is a widely LOVED tire here.

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Edited by meep (02/05/18 01:38 PM)
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#4656990 - 02/05/18 01:40 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
Nick1994 Offline


Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 10133
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Iíve had good luck with BFG All Terrains. Very tough tire, my dad has a set on his FJ Cruiser and it gets beaten off road regularly. Iíve also got a set on my Jeep.

But the Cooper Discoverer AT3 is also a good tire. Last summer I had a set put on my grandpaís Chevy Trailblazer and drove it to Utah, itís actually really quiet.
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#4656994 - 02/05/18 01:43 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
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Registered: 11/10/13
Posts: 846
Loc: Central Coast California
I had the same requirements and went Cooper ST Maxx about 3 years ago. They have been great, very durable in sharp rocks and overall good at everything. The only drawback is that it is heavy and stiff, but I had 6 punctures in my last tires so I wasn't going to compromise with a light duty tire.
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#4657006 - 02/05/18 01:53 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
bullwinkle Offline


Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 7673
Loc: Cincinnati, OH, USA
I wouldn't trade my Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos (both 1 and 2) for anything, and they're plenty stable enough for 80 MPH (the Revo 2s on the Ram, not the Revo 1s on the front axle of my F-450, it won't make it past 75).


Edited by bullwinkle (02/05/18 01:55 PM)
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#4657023 - 02/05/18 02:08 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
Rand Offline


Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 12651
Loc: NE,Ohio
IMO the michelin AT tires are not nearly as well liked as their highway designs.

I'd go non-michelin for AT tire.

not in any particular order
Cooper AT/3, BFG KO2, toyo open country at2, General Grabber AT2, kumho Road Venture AT51, hankook dynapro ATM
Goodyear duratrac, goodyear adventure AT, bridgestone revo II
ETC.


Edited by Rand (02/05/18 02:12 PM)
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#4657053 - 02/05/18 02:37 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
Reddy45 Offline


Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 2973
Loc: USA
Isn't the Michelin Defender LTX MS what you want? It's a mostly highway looking tire but is rated for the mucky stuff.

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#4657171 - 02/05/18 04:12 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: HemiHawk]
dlundblad Offline


Registered: 09/30/13
Posts: 10058
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
80mph+ in a brick shaped SUV... HMMM

But really, that's a tall order. For the price the Hankook dyna pro ATM on my Nissan do pretty well. They make some noise on the highway, not sure you're going to get away from that. They've been great in the snow and the mild dirt trails I've driven on. But I don't do any tougher off roading. Something like a duratrac tire would be better suited for that.

For puncture resistance I had goodyear wrangler adventure with kevlar. They did well in all conditions, except rain. For whatever reason they didn't like rain. But snow and mud not an issue.


Goodyear DuraTrac. They'll look good too if you're into the sort of thing.

Always liked these. Toyota picked up the ball that Jeep dropped IMO. She works with a lady that has a white 6 speed. Vinyl floor, BFG AT's, hill decent, rear locker, roof basket etc. The dealer keeps calling her wanting her to trade up (their words) to a Rav4.
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#4657181 - 02/05/18 04:20 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
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Registered: 03/11/12
Posts: 490
Loc: WA
Another vote for the Duratracs.
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#4657279 - 02/05/18 06:06 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
Zen_ Offline


Registered: 11/11/11
Posts: 12
Loc: Midwest
Requirements 1 and 2 pretty much preclude the use of a knobby A/T tire. I'd just go with Michelin Defender LTX, or the Kumho Crugen HT51 if you're on more of a budget (very similar tire). The Sumitomo Encounter HT also looks nice at the low end of the range.

If you have to have an A/T tire for looks or actual use way off the road, the Yoko Geolandar G015 might be the best compromise for noise and highway stability.
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#4657468 - 02/05/18 09:54 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
Soggydog Offline


Registered: 01/17/16
Posts: 156
Loc: South Louisiana
I didnt have very good luck with BFG KO2's on my F250. I only got about 30k miles of them and two alligment shops (one didnt even sell tires) partially faulted the tires for the death wobble I was experiencing. "Run out" and "out of round" were the terms they used.
I was really disapointed because I had some lt285/65-18 BFG original KO's on a 2002 GMC K1500 and could'nt wear them out.
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#4657966 - 02/06/18 12:32 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 2220
Loc: London, England
There is a new BF Goodrich tyre replacing the KO2 coming out soon.
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#4657986 - 02/06/18 12:52 PM Re: Yes, I Want It All [Re: CCI]
Smokescreen Offline


Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 3362
Loc: Alberta, Canada
Cooper discovery AT/3
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