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Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? #4656479
02/05/18 12:12 AM
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I searched here and did a Google search for it but couldn't fine any? Back when I ran it,the ding dong USPS lost my sample I'd sent to Blackstone.


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Pennzoil Platinum HM 10W30

Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4656592
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Although the PQIA doesn't list PPHM specifically, we might assume that the overall spec would look like any of Pennzoils other oils listed here but without the HM additives that Pennzoil adds to the oil:

http://pqiamerica.com/PCMO_Sample_Summary_12_15_2016.html


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Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4656763
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Well Char, we all know what happens when you assume things, and you're not going to make one out of me. smile

I haven't seen any for PPHM, I may try some on the Odyssey next time. My next OC is going to be Harvest King 5W30 syn, which is now Dexos 1 Gen 2 certified. I haven't decided if I am doing a VOA/UOA on the new HK.

Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4657398
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I emailed Pennzoil this morning asking what the difference is between PP 0W20 and PPHM 0W20 and here's what they said:

Me:
I've been using Pennzoil Platinum 0W20 in my 2012 Honda Accord (with the 2.4 K24 4 cylinder engine) that has 76,000 miles on it. It has no leaks and uses no oil whatsoever. Would there be any benefit of switching to Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 0W20? What's the exact difference between the regular Platinum 0W20 and the high mileage Platinum 0W20?

Thanks!!

Them:
If you are not losing or consuming oil there is no need to switch to the Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage. The primary difference is the cleaning additives are removed and seal conditioners are added to the Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage oil to help with older worn seals. If you would like to discuss this in detail please call our hotline at 1-800-237-8645, option 3,1


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Pennzoil Platinum HM 10W30

Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4657497
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The primary difference is the cleaning additives are removed,,,,


HUH?!?!?!


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Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: Linctex] #4657506
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Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
The primary difference is the cleaning additives are removed,,,,


HUH?!?!?!


Hmmm....sooo...wait, what?!?!


'07 Scion tc
- 98K miles
- Valvoline FS w/ML 0W-20 D1G2
- FRAM Ultra
'07 Honda Accord coupe 4cyl
- 128K miles
- Valvoline FS w/ML 0W-20 D1G2
- FRAM TG
Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4657520
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Yeah I'm a little confused too. I thought high mileage oils had:

More cleaning additives
More anti wear additives
Seal conditioners


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Pennzoil Platinum HM 10W30

Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4657580
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And I just put PPHM 5w30 in my car... Sooo... hmmm. Idk what to say now... Quite an eye opener for me, but now that does make sense, at least as far as keeping HM and Non-HM oils at the same price.

Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4657594
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Hmm. That is surprising, given that their chart claims the HM keeps pistons clean. It stopped oil consumption in my Cadillac 3.6, so I will probably continue to use it. [img:left]http://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/education/...17-US.legal.pdf[/img]

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2007 Cadillac CTS 3.6L >119k miles (Magnatec 5W-30 + Fram Tough Guard; Maxlife ATF)

2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L >97k miles (Maxlife 5W-20 + Fram Ultra; Pennzoil Platinum LV ATF)
Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4657676
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The primary difference is the cleaning additives are removed. Come on Pennzoil. Your website Say's Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage keeps pistons up to 20% cleaner. So I am going to assume the person misspoke?


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Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4657751
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I think the difference is actually a seal conditioner additive is added and pretty much everything else stays the same. I saw this weekend at Advanced Auto that Valvoline actually has an engine treatment additive for high mileage cars that can be purchased and poured into the engine that helps to condition seals and gaskets , plus some other things that I just cannot remember.

Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4659009
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I just spoke with the Pennzoil rep and she confirmed that Plat HM replaces the cleaners with seal conditioners. I'm somewhat disappointed, as this oil had a positive effect on my Cadillac.

I then emailed valvoline about their syn HM oil, and based on their response, my next OC may well be valvoline. Here is my question:

I currently use your full synthetic oil (0w20) in my 2012 Honda Odyssey, which has 78k miles but does not use any oil. Is there any benefit to switching to your full synthetic Maxlife oil, or is there no benefit to switching to the high mileage oil? Also, what is the difference between the two oils, other than the addition of seal conditioners? Thank you

And here is their response:

Ryan, thank you for contacting Valvoline Product Support.

First, thank you for using our products. There is a big difference in the additive package between the two products. The Maxlife high mileage formulation features a stronger detergent package to keep combustion bi-products from clinging to the inside of the engine. There are additives that prolong performance and protection as well as the seal agent that keeps seals and gaskets soft and pliable so they don't dry rot and crack like older seal do. Additional information regarding the products is available at our website, Valvoline.com.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us via phone at 800 TEAM VAL or by email at [email protected] for assistance.

Thank you and have a great day.


2007 Cadillac CTS 3.6L >119k miles (Magnatec 5W-30 + Fram Tough Guard; Maxlife ATF)

2012 Honda Odyssey EX-L >97k miles (Maxlife 5W-20 + Fram Ultra; Pennzoil Platinum LV ATF)
Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4659053
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It almost seems like HM oils are the way to go from birth. I went with QSUD in my 300ZX this go around but will be returning to PPHM next oil change as it seems to "like" it better. I might go with PPHM 0W20 in the Accord next oil change.

The Mustang is sweating a little oil from someplace so I'm going to use PPHM in it next oil change. I think it has 168,000 miles on it now.


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Pennzoil Platinum HM 10W30

Re: Has anyone ever done a uoa on PP High Mileage? [Re: aquariuscsm] #4659402
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A Pennz rep used to frequent this board a long time ago.... I wish they would weigh in on this.


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